Thanks for the correction, I seem to recall seeing a diagram of a Nimitz flight deck with the parking areas further subdivided using terms like 'six pack' and 'the wedge'. Probably the source of my confusion!
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Hey,as far as I know the USN still uses all those terms.
Fly 1 is the forward part of the flight deck
Fly 2 is the middle
Fly three is the aft end.
The six pack is in Fly 1 just in front of the island.. The wedge? I have no clue!
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Some parts of my brain are getting a bit rusty, added to the fact I have been working some silly hours this week again! It was over twenty years ago I saw that flight deck diagram...
On the older RN fixed wing carriers, the parking areas (not including the angled deck) were designated as follows: Fly 1 was the foredeck, Fly 2 was adjacent to the island (amidships), Fly 3 was aft of the island, and Fly 4 was the port after end of the flight deck clear of the angled deck. Essentially the same as USN practice, though their larger decks allowed for further subdivision as previously mentioned.
On the older RN fixed wing carriers, the parking areas (not including the angled deck) were designated as follows: Fly 1 was the foredeck, Fly 2 was adjacent to the island (amidships), Fly 3 was aft of the island, and Fly 4 was the port after end of the flight deck clear of the angled deck. Essentially the same as USN practice, though their larger decks allowed for further subdivision as previously mentioned.
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I read this article in what I used to call Megadeath Weekly ( showing my age, some twenty years ago they wrote that nuclear weapons are not useful): .
It talks about using F-35C's and helicopters at the same time during amphibious operations. But what about nearly stopping the ship to launch landing craft or hovercraft and your F-35C operations?
It talks about using F-35C's and helicopters at the same time during amphibious operations. But what about nearly stopping the ship to launch landing craft or hovercraft and your F-35C operations?
Equation
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Do more damages to the opposition force when it operates amphibiously, therefore trapping it in an inescapable onslaught. The battle of Okinawa and Guadalcanal comes to mind as well as the Normandy Invasion during WW II. Imagine if the US forces were not successful in all those battles, the Allied forces would have to come up with another plan.
Hi Jeff, I found two different hanger layouts of vikramaditya, can its hanger keep 4 mig-29Ks in one row?
Thanks!
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Well, here's an article on a submerged submarine launching UAV:
Didn't bother to find out the result of that particular test, but it shows that this technology is being developed.
But here's the catcher: a sub is supposed to be stealthy, but the moment its launches anything into the air its location is effectively compromised (which removes a great unknown about the sub).
Nonetheless, I think there might be a niche area for sub-launched UAVs. The question is whether the sub needs to recover the UAV at the end of the flight? If so, than the sub will be seriously vulnerable since the UAV can possibly be tracked (minimally, the sub needs to know where to pick it up).
As for the idea of launching manned aircraft from submersible carriers, I think that's more science fiction than science fact. Here's why:
1. Manned fighters (such as F-35B) can only be launched when the carrier is surfaced. The preparation alone will take sometime, which is when the submersible carrier is highly vulnerable (when aircraft is being brought up for launch). Also, will the aircraft be fueled and armed after it has been brought up (maximise safety)? Or will be be fueled and armed whilst inside the submersible carrier (minimise exposure time)?
2. How high will the flight deck of a submersible carrier be from the sea level? It is high enough to conduct flight operations in less than ideal weather conditions (waves over the hull, sea spray going over the aircraft regularly, etc)?
3. What is the diving depth for a submersible carrier? How much pressure can a hull with aircraft elevators possibly take?
4. How does a submersible carrier control air traffic? Will it carry retractable radars to control its own aircraft (when to take off, when to land, etc)?
5. What is the effect of frequent jet blast (from aircraft taking off and landing) on a submarine pressure hull? Will it lead to hull collapse whilst under pressure?
6. What is the draft of a submersible carrier? Will it be restricted to only deep ocean areas (littorals being too shallow)?
Thanks for that pic. I found an Indian analyst web site with the same one once I saw yours (maybe they wre from the same place) and have since updated the Vikramaditya hangar spaces. The dims were correct, but my original layout with the elevators was off, and the scale of the Migs was too.Hi Jeff, I found two different hanger layouts of vikramaditya, can its hanger keep 4 mig-29Ks in one row?
Thanks!
The answer is no, only three Mig-29s aligned in the hangar.
Here's how it looks now:
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