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KIENCHIN said:

The MEKO most probably cost three times that of the C28, can't really compare apples to oranges. A better comparison would be between the 054A and the MEKO A200 and even that I am sure the 054A would come out cheaper. Now the question ask is, does Algeria really need such a high tech ship bristling with such weaponry when it's immediate problem is the ongoing Islamic terrorist threat.

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No three times, 1.6 times, thinking 2 times
Edit : i understand completely your ratio impossible have exact prices, datas in mind ofc but in fact Algerians do very good money :
Valour MEKO A200 (South Africa)-$
F-22P Zulfiquar (China/Pakistan)-$


After possible have more exact price with SIPRI but include support, training and impossible or almost have a unitary cost in more boring i am not here for money...

Chinese build cheaper and now since severals years do some good armaments but Western able to provide armament of quality in more customers in general have more confidence.

KIENCHIN said:

The MEKO most probably cost three times that of the C28, can't really compare apples to oranges. ...

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... but we may try

the MEKOs were very expensive:
Feb 26, 2016

Jura said:

... the price (two ships fully armed, six choppers): 2 point 17 billion Euros, that would be something like $2.371b now
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... I had a link for this, I believe it had been to Jane's article which is now gone, so I googled (except of my own post hahaha) the older info:
"TKMS will supply two Meko 200 frigates and six AgustaWestland Super Lynx helicopters under the €2.5 billion contract." from Wednesday, 04 April 2012


OK so minus helos but it would more than one billion dollars per ship anyway ... now, what's the price of a C28?

(those MEKOs are really packed, the armament includes OTO 5" with VOLCANO ammo

which enables to strike deep ... I've heard at one point Germans were reluctant to wire it)

Jura said:

... but we may try

the MEKOs were very expensive:
Feb 26, 2016

... I had a link for this, I believe it had been to Jane's article which is now gone, so I googled (except of my own post hahaha) the older info:
"TKMS will supply two Meko 200 frigates and six AgustaWestland Super Lynx helicopters under the €2.5 billion contract." from Wednesday, 04 April 2012

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OK so minus helos but it would more than one billion dollars per ship anyway ... now, what's the price of a C28?

(those MEKOs are really packed, the armament includes OTO 5" with VOLCANO ammo

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which enables to strike deep ... I've heard at one point Germans were reluctant to wire it)

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Did I get you right Jura, a billion dollars a ship? OMG. If I am not wrong Australia paid 4 to 6 hundred million Aussie dollars for theirs more then a decade ago and Forbin's quote of 327 million dollars per ship is too low even without spares or training. How quickly we forgot when terrorist massacred all those tourist and brought Algeria's economy to it's knees. Well at the end of the day it is their call.

KIENCHIN said:

Did I get you right Jura, a billion dollars a ship?

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yes but

• I expect negativism about the info I put above https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/africa-military-news-reports-data-etc.t6594/page-16#post-426748 and
• note it's the total price (with weapons from various vendors etc. and likely with some extended maintenance etc.), and the final price (the usual trick is to "offer upgrades" which means to make the gear actually useful in combat once the customer paid again, but here the Germans are responsible for the whole package to work which is to be tested in Algeria ASAP, at least that's how I (miss)understood the deal)

KIENCHIN said:

OMG. ...

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... the contract contains an option to procure two more LOL

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by the way fancy propulsion
EDIT AGAIN
just not forget my question: what's the price of a C28?

FORBIN said:

With RBS-15 Mk 3
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Algerian Navy set to trial Umkhonto Block 2

KIENCHIN said:

The MEKO most probably cost three times that of the C28, can't really compare apples to oranges. A better comparison would be between the 054A and the MEKO A200 and even that I am sure the 054A would come out cheaper. Now the question ask is, does Algeria really need such a high tech ship bristling with such weaponry when it's immediate problem is the ongoing Islamic terrorist threat.

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Clearly, Algeria believes it needs it.

...and when you look at the buildup of other nation's navies in the Med, it is understandable why they would, even if they do not at the moment have any conflict going on with any of them.

google translation of Premiers tirs réels d’une Meko A200 en Algérie

La visite du Chef d’Etat-Major et vice-Miistre de la Défense, le Général de Corps d’armée Ahmed Gaid Salah à la deuxième région militaire a été l’occasion pour les Forces Navales Algériennes, de tester pour la première fois en conditions réelles l’armement de la frégate Meko A200 Elradea.

La frégate fabriquée à Kiel en Allemagne par Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems, a tirée une salve de missiles surface-surface suédois RBS15 MKIII qui n’a pas manqué sa cible.

C’est la première sortie de la frégate qui était entourée de rumeurs allant du refus allemand de livrer l’armement à la une cyber-attaque qu’aurait subi le navire. Il semble qu’à part un retard dans la livraison de l’armement et quelques pannes minimes des génératrices, la marine algérienne soit très très satisfaite des performances du bâtiment qui est considéré comme étant un des plus modernes au monde.

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"The visit of the Chief of Staff and Deputy Minister of Defense, General of the Army Corps Ahmed Gaid Salah to the second military region provided an opportunity for the Algerian Naval Forces to test for the first time in Conditions the arming of the frigate Meko A200 Elradea.

The frigate manufactured at Kiel in Germany by Thyssenkrupp Marine Systems, fired a salvo of Swedish surface-surface missiles RBS15 MKIII that did not miss its target.

This was the first exit of the frigate which was surrounded by rumors ranging from the German refusal to deliver the armament to a cyber attack that would have undergone the ship. It seems that the Algerian navy is very satisfied with the performance of the building, which is considered to be one of the most modern in the world, apart from a delay in the delivery of the weaponry and some minor breakdowns of the generators."
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also contains this picture:

Algeria, wew Su-30MKA 14 on order, 44 in service

Algerian MEKO-200AN RBS15 Mk3 missile launchers !!!

Former IAF Su-30K destined for Angola has been overhauled
The first Su-30K that is being overhauled by Belarus’ 558th Aircraft Repair Plant has flown recently. A total of 12 aircraft are to be delivered to Angola.

A contract was placed in 2013 for those aircraft that were returned by India. Back in the 1990s, Irkut supplied 18 examples to India as a interim solution while the latter wait for the Su-30MKI to be delivered.