AEGIS and AEGIS Like escort combatants of the World

A Bar Brother

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strange but the prpulsion system were the first to be developed as early as 2010.

The rocket motors were stuck in Korea because they refused to ship it to Israel due to the Gaza war. The 4 motors should have been shipped in July, but were not shipped for two months after that. Hence the delay.

The ship should get new missiles by the end of next year.

its rocket motor made by BEL.

Incorrect spelling. :)

The rocket motor is made by Premier Explosives Ltd. BEL (Bharat Electronics Limited) is an electronics company, they don't do engines and motors.
 
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Jeff Head

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was india not ready?
the indians supplied the dual pulse motor in 2010(you will find the article in naval technology,will post it soon)and shipped it to israel in early 2011.
additionally the barak8 benefited hugely from the akash missile program,the ball was in the israeli's court.they said that they integrated the rocket with their saar corvettes which was a lie(the IAI guy says that the indians supplied the motor only recently) which you will find from the quote i posted,

the indians had more experience from the akash programme.

so were the indians ready , of course they were.the seeker just wasn't ready at that time.
Aksha, as I said on the Indian News thread, there is no need to get defensive.

Clearly, for whatever reason, for whatever excuse, India was not ready for the Barak-8 to be installed on the Kolkata at commissioning.

Period.

It makes absolutely no sense here on SD to try and lay blame either way. To say that it was India's fault or Israel's fault. We do not work on the program or have inside privileged information (and if we did, we would be foolish to reveal it on a public forum). In such cases there will always be finger pointing both ways.

As I say, such slippages are not uncommon when it comes to programs that have critical path development in different places, and even more so when those places are in two different nations. Heck, if everything were being developed, tested, and built on a single campus you still run into slippages when it comes to high tech programs. It is the nature of the beast.

The program slipped, the Barak-8 was not ready for deployment on the Kolkata's at commissioning. I know that is unfortunate and maybe even be embarrassing...but that is what happened. For whatever reason.

Let's leave it at that and be glad that the progress is now being made that will hopefully soon lead to the Kolkata getting its missiles and there being in place a good supply chain for them for the other vessels that will use them.

I am very glad to see that happening.
 

FORBIN

Lieutenant General
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The first AEGIS ships the CG Ticonderoga was to commisionned in 1983 and since many new classes have emerged especially since 10 years mainly in Europe and Asia also :

USA : 84
27 CG Ticonderoga build remain 22 those which get VLS. 1983
62 Burke : 28 Burke + 34 Austin with hangar. 1990

Europe : 27
2 Forbin, 2010
2 Andrea Doria, 2010
6 Daring, 2009
3 Sachsen, 2004
5 Nansen, 2006
5 De Bazan, 2002
4 De Zeven Provincien, 2002

Asia : 16
5 Luyang II, 2004
1 Luyang III, 2014
4 Kongo, 1993
2 Atago, 2007
3 KDX-III
1 Kolkata, 2014

Middle-East :
3 Saar V, 1995 AEGIS Like since 2013

Soon 2 new classes : Russian FFG Gorshkov and Australian DDG Hobbart.

European :

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Jeff Head

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How about Akizuki class?
The Akizuki class is definitely "AEGIS-like," and I have it listed on my
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I just wish Japan had built more than these four of them.

DDG-115 Akizuki
DDG-116 Teruzuki
DDG-117 Suzutsuki
DDG-118 Fuyuzuki

495 feet long, 60 foot beam, 7,000 ton displacement. Great vessels and ideally suited for their intended role.

With these four Akizukis, the four Kongos, and the ultimate four Atagos (two right now), the JMSDF will be well outfitted with twelve AEGIS or AEGIS-like vessels. Right now they have ten and that's more than any other nation on earth outside of the US. Though China, once they have all six 052Cs and 052Ds in commission will have twelve itself, and they will surpass that number with what I expect to be another six 052Ds and probably at least six 055s in the future.
 

Bernard

Junior Member
Oooh ! Sorry :eek: I thought too Forbin :)

But I don't have graphics for him.

Forbin I really do enjoy all you very informative posts. Especially the ones above and like the ones in the SSN thread Keep it up I like to read them
 

aksha

Captain
@jeff head ,jeff your website says the kolkatas have 16 barak 1's,but i do not see any of them in the given pictures ,also i think there will only 32 barak 8 SAM's than 46. if i am wrong please point out.
see the link.
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FORBIN

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US AEGIS ships

US AEGIS ships now : 84 : 22 Ticonderoga , 62 Burke : 21 Fl I, 7 Fl II and 34 Fl IIa/Austin, and in few years 3 Zumwalt.

Burke Fl IIa Austin is different version of first Burke get a hangar for 2 helos, 96 cell's ( 6 unoccupied by cranes as in Burke ) but don't have Harpoon.
But SM-2MR are anti-ship capable with a less big warhead as Harpoon, no sea skimming but supersonic.
Only Burke Fl I/II carry SM-3 right now, almost all 26/28.

After new Burke Fl III which replace Ticonderoga, have a identical armament as Fl IIa but get a new radar : Air and Missile Defense Radar (AMDR) less big/powerful it was planned originaly because Burke hull can't receive a larger superstructure to use the radar initialy planned especialy better for detect ballistic missiles seems or he would have had a new hull ( much more expensive ) or eventually use Zumwalt hull but same problem USN get a ship expensive for built 2/years.

When LRASM will in service and SM-6 ABM, Mk 41 will be a completely versatile VLS : anti-surface, air, ASW and ABM normaly in some years.

Zumwalt for money matters get now 2 x 30 mm guns instead 2 x 57 ! :confused: actually 155 mm AGS gun is only usable against ground targets.
But with PVLS and do 14000 t definitely very difficult to sunk.

Ticonderoga attached to Cruiser Destroyer Group but it disappears since some years for be directly attached to CSG, in general 2 by unit.
Burke attached to Destroyer Sqn, between 2/9 by unit in general 5/6.

With a CSG actually for Budget reason 1 CG and 3 DDG also used with ARG but ARG receives more FF and less CG.

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Burke Fl IIa Austin
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