A statue of confucious in Tiananmen square!

Finn McCool

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Well, I've thought for some time that the "Chinese system of government" resembles both Imperial China, and also the system that existed in the Soviet Union and of course, the system that existed in China before Deng. As to "true communism", frankly, I don't know what the hell you mean by that.

By "true communism" I meant China pre-Deng. During that time and in the Soviet Union, communist ideas about total state ownership of property, etc. were the central feature of state policy and identity. China today lacks that very salient feature, and that's why I would say it's actually more similar to Imperial China than to China under Mao or the Soviet Union for most of its history. That's one of the main reasons why the Chinese government today plays much less of a role in the lives of its citizens than it did in the Mao era.
 
this may be a little bit off-topic, but i've always felt that the core ideal of true communism is quite like the children's ideals of an utopia where everyone is fair to each other, and everyone will respect the rules set, be law abiding citizens, and are ungreedy( will work for their portions and take their fair portions without taking more than they worked for/take others).

communism is a true harmony and perfectly happy world only when everyone is as innocent and good. (but if that were true, there won't be wars to start with in the first place)

however because humans are competitive animals, therefore capitalism is a more realistic and practical solution that syncs well with human's existence
 

Red Moon

Junior Member
By "true communism" I meant China pre-Deng. During that time and in the Soviet Union, communist ideas about total state ownership of property, etc. were the central feature of state policy and identity. China today lacks that very salient feature, and that's why I would say it's actually more similar to Imperial China than to China under Mao or the Soviet Union for most of its history. That's one of the main reasons why the Chinese government today plays much less of a role in the lives of its citizens than it did in the Mao era.

I don't think the "personal freedom" issue has that much to do with the economic model, other that, in both cases, they opted for something new. What they did abandon, once the cultural revolution was over, was the "utopianist" approach to social and economic construction and instead adopted a "pragmatic" approach. Once you are no longer building a "utopia" what is the point in micromanaging people's lives?

In favoring "pragmatism" (in this sense) over "utopianism", I think they are becoming more "Chinese", actually, as utopianism is a feature of Western political philosophy more than Chinese. Western political philosophy, to a much greater extent, was developed by "writers" or philosophers, as opposed to statesmen or "ministers", which predominate in Chinese political philosophy.

from airsuperiority's post: because humans are competitive animals, therefore capitalism is a more realistic and practical solution that syncs well with human's existence
Well, to some extent, that depends on which humans.

As well, while humans engage in competition, they also engage in cooperation. Tigers are "competitive animals", to such an extent that "Tiger society" does not exist! Humans are so "cooperative" that states, in this day and age, range up to the billions in population. It seems, the earth's resources are more of a limit than peoples' "cooperativeness".
 
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