A New Cold War?

Anlsvrthng

Captain
Registered Member
Please stop being overly dramatic with silly scenarios.

The US is simply facing an "imperial overstretch" problem.

All those allies and commitments were made when the US was military and economic hegemon.
But everyone else in the world has been catching up in terms of wealth and the military, so the USA cannot honour all those committments now.
The rationale thing to do is to start shedding some of those commitments to focus on the ones that really matter. Not to abandon everything, because that is simply not going to happen.
The USA that you know now, and the one after the Imperium are two different kind.

At the moment the imperial glory creating a country that has a very powerful aristocracy ,controlling the USA and all colonies.

Afterwards, it will be the everyday person in the charge of the country. Without all of the imperial glory : P
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The US economy absorbing excess soldiers in a hypothetical drawdown is simply not an issue, despite what you think. Please look at the data.

The USA economy will badly need those hands , to help to rebuild the bleeded out country.
However the MIC won't work, the military has to protect not only the shorelines, but the panama channel as well.

And it is not that expensive to get few military naval base in central/north america.
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
You seriously misread the strategic situation in Europe.

Ukraine and Georgia loosing , Crime is in Russian hand now, means they are inferior situation compared to even 2013.
Both of them "anti Russian" since 1990, and now its biting them badly.

They try to involve the USA into they loosing game. The USA happy to bribe those oligarchs over there to give same support for the dying imperium, but that getting to the end.

And generally Europe sharing small common interest with the US, and as soon as the USA can't deliver the full economical control above Asian into the Europe-USA partnership the whole temporarily alliance loose its value .

Compare the situation NOW with the situation in 2007. Bit different in Europe, in every aspect.

And we haven't taken into account the melting down of Arctic.
That creating similar opportunities for Russia like the ones opened by the Panama channel for USA.

No, I think my read on the strategic situation in Europe is accurate.

The European Union is simply too divided from a political and military perspective. So outside powers (Russia/USA/China) are able to meddle with the internal politics of the EU. So there is political space for US military commitments in the absence of an "European Army" to balance against Russia.

That is the main reason why NATO exists.

And the melting of the arctic is mostly irrelevant. Northern Russia is always going to suffer from an extreme winter climate, which means people don't want to live in the frozen North in darkness for 6months of the year, and which makes sustaining industry/construction a huge challenge.

In comparison, the Panama Canal has a tropical climate and is open all year around.
 

AndrewS

Brigadier
Registered Member
The USA that you know now, and the one after the Imperium are two different kind.

At the moment the imperial glory creating a country that has a very powerful aristocracy ,controlling the USA and all colonies.

Afterwards, it will be the everyday person in the charge of the country. Without all of the imperial glory : P


The USA economy will badly need those hands , to help to rebuild the bleeded out country.
However the MIC won't work, the military has to protect not only the shorelines, but the panama channel as well.

And it is not that expensive to get few military naval base in central/north america.

I'm absolutely speechless at the delusions you have just written
 

Anlsvrthng

Captain
Registered Member
No, I think my read on the strategic situation in Europe is accurate.

The European Union is simply too divided from a political and military perspective. So outside powers (Russia/USA/China) are able to meddle with the internal politics of the EU. So there is political space for US military commitments in the absence of an "European Army" to balance against Russia.

That is the main reason why NATO exists.

And the melting of the arctic is mostly irrelevant. Northern Russia is always going to suffer from an extreme winter climate, which means people don't want to live in the frozen North in darkness for 6months of the year, and which makes sustaining industry/construction a huge challenge.

In comparison, the Panama Canal has a tropical climate and is open all year around.
Europe purposefully divided.

In the past 100 years UK/France/USA played "divide and conquer " on the continent.

As soon as the external meddling decrease ( because example the USA has other issues) end the countries will looks quite differently, like in the middle east.

And China has / will have next to 0 influence, Russia has marginal influence beyond Poland, USA is the psychopath elephant in the china shop.

Arctic IS the most important.
The average winter temperature increase by 8 Celsius in the past few decades. That is a lot.

A good , Germany sized area in Siberia become permafrost free, makes it possible to grow crops.
In written memories the last few decade has been the first period when the Siberian waterways are ice free during summer.

It is not open all year long, but it is not restricted to 110 foot wide ships,and has unlimited capacity.


Means oil drilling rigs, VLCCs can pass it as well.
OR the whole Russian navy can pass thought of it, without the need to go around the world.
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Any scenarios where the CONUS is invaded make little sense. At least in a conventional war. You would need to transport millions of soldiers across either the Pacific or the Atlantic. Logistically it makes no sense. Even if the USA did not have its Navy, with modern satellites, and area denial weapons they can easily prevent something like that from happening.
A first nuclear strike is also unpalatable because of the chance of a successful second strike by the USA is high.

With regards to a European war scenario I think if the conflict didn't go nuclear the present Russian army has a high possibility it could invade Europe all the way to the Oder and even perhaps all the way up to the French border if it wanted to. Holding it would be a different matter. But Europe's armies have mostly turned from large conscript forces to small voluntary armies to be used as expeditionary forces. There is no decent chain of command in case of a real war I think NATO would fall apart without the USA taking control of the situation and doing the bulk of the decisions. For this reason, the poor chain of command, I think even if the Russians were outnumbered they could win such a conflict in the initial stages. But I do not think they could bear with the consequences of the cost of the occupation, which is why I think this scenario is highly unlikely. However the invasion of the parts of the Soviet Union still not in NATO would be a cakewalk for them if they really wanted to do that. But they had ample time and chances to do that and always took the minimalist approach. Putin took advantage of the chances presented to him but so far he has avoided annexing other countries at large.

The expense of a direct conflict means proxy wars like during the Cold War are more likely. For both Russia and China.
 

Anlsvrthng

Captain
Registered Member
Any scenarios where the CONUS is invaded make little sense. At least in a conventional war. You would need to transport millions of soldiers across either the Pacific or the Atlantic. Logistically it makes no sense. Even if the USA did not have its Navy, with modern satellites, and area denial weapons they can easily prevent something like that from happening.
A first nuclear strike is also unpalatable because of the chance of a successful second strike by the USA is high.

With regards to a European war scenario I think if the conflict didn't go nuclear the present Russian army has a high possibility it could invade Europe all the way to the Oder and even perhaps all the way up to the French border if it wanted to. Holding it would be a different matter. But Europe's armies have mostly turned from large conscript forces to small voluntary armies to be used as expeditionary forces. There is no decent chain of command in case of a real war I think NATO would fall apart without the USA taking control of the situation and doing the bulk of the decisions. For this reason, the poor chain of command, I think even if the Russians were outnumbered they could win such a conflict in the initial stages. But I do not think they could bear with the consequences of the cost of the occupation, which is why I think this scenario is highly unlikely. However the invasion of the parts of the Soviet Union still not in NATO would be a cakewalk for them if they really wanted to do that. But they had ample time and chances to do that and always took the minimalist approach. Putin took advantage of the chances presented to him but so far he has avoided annexing other countries at large.

The expense of a direct conflict means proxy wars like during the Cold War are more likely. For both Russia and China.
Target of the USA navy is to close/open shipping lanes at will.

China is now close to the point when she can close/open the shipping lanes in the South Chinese sea.

That will cut back by 30-50% of the USA controlled world areas.
 

gelgoog

Lieutenant General
Registered Member
Where does a lot of the South China sea traffic go to? The Middle East to get oil&gas or Europe to sell manufactured goods and buy machine tools. Which is why holding the South China sea alone is not enough. What it does provide is sea denial and sea control over that trade. Hence OBOR and the like so that China can control the entire routes.
 

Anlsvrthng

Captain
Registered Member
Where does a lot of the South China sea traffic go to? The Middle East to get oil&gas or Europe to sell manufactured goods and buy machine tools. Which is why holding the South China sea alone is not enough. What it does provide is sea denial and sea control over that trade. Hence OBOR and the like so that China can control the entire routes.
It is the first step.

Securing the capability to close/ope the south Chinese sea, at the same time start to develop safe oil/natural gas transport on land.

At the moment China has 600 thousand barrel/day capacity from Russia on pipeline, and there is 600 thousand oil equivalent natural gas capacity as well.
There is a Kazakhstan pipeline with 300 thousand barrel / day capacity.
In case of emergency China can import crude by railway, from Kzastan and Russia.

I think it is safe to say in ten years time these numbers will increase by magnitude.


Mean China will be able to secure energy import in case of blockade on the oceans, and can restrict the access of sea import of Japan and Taiwan, and make near full blockade of South korma.

Next step needs to be to secure Indonesia Taiwan , close down the border dispute with India, and start to control the Indian ocean trade routes jointly.


But the later is 10-20 years away.
 
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At the moment China has 600 thousand barrel/day capacity from Russia on pipeline, ...
here's what I found out Oct 14, 2018

oil:
Russia Tightens Oil Grip With China's Second Pipeline
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Bloomberg News
January 1, 2018, 12:37 PM GMT+1 Updated on January 2, 2018, 2:56 AM GMT+1
  • New project to China’s Daqing city runs smoothly, Xinhua says
  • Two parallel lines can transmit 30 million tons of oil a year

30 million tons means "about 600,000 barrels a day", and

"China surpassed the U.S. in annual gross crude oil imports in 2017 by importing 8.4 million barrels per day ..."
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so it's less than ten percent;
 
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