2025 Victory Day parade thread (workup, 3rd Sept)

daifo

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071 is pretty much an empty ship when it comes to armament and sensors compared to its massive size. So, it could have been very easy to add this. When looking at type 052D or Type 055, every single space on deck has some purpose. You have VLS, RAM, Guns, Radar and sensor suits. So, I don't think it will be easy to put these lasers without costly retrofit.

Maybe the Laser can replace the front CIWS and there is a CIWS/RAM combo in the rear.
 

bebops

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I don't know why they keep saying "untest" this and that. Every platforms have to be tested in the lab and outdoor exercise. The second part is developing a strategy on how to best deploy the platform. This can be applied during exercise or observing your opponent.

No one is going to use anything without testing it.


The big laser truck can be deployed on the ground or ship.
 

Totoro

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I know this has already been mentioned, but I don't understand the way the parade was set up. The pace of vehicles was too fast, driving at least 30% too fast. The distance between rows of vehicles was too small, should have been at least double.
It wouldn't have led to a much longer event, given that the vehicle part of the parade was like 30 minutes within a 2 hour event.
And placing more cameras on aircraft wouldn't have cost much.
 

Temstar

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I have noticed a lot less coping from the western media about the parades this time. This particular video was quite good. They are coping a little bit about China's military being "untested" but they are not dismissing China' technological prowess any longer. They are concerned about China slowly leap frogging US in military tech.

I think the realization is hitting home.
I personally would like to thank India for this recent change. These days when people say Chinese weapons are untested you can always reply with 6-0 baby.

After thoughts on the parade from our friend at twz:
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Wrought

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I don't know why they keep saying "untest" this and that. Every platforms have to be tested in the lab and outdoor exercise. The second part is developing a strategy on how to best deploy the platform. This can be applied during exercise or observing your opponent.

No one is going to use anything without testing it.


The big laser truck can be deployed on the ground or ship.

They mean untested in peer combat. Which is technically true; there really is no substitute for facing enemy ECM and VLO and so forth. You can prepare as much as possible, but how all the systems actually interact in anger is the ultimate question.

What they almost always leave out is that the US is equally untested.
 

enroger

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One thing I am wondering about the Ship-bourne laser. How will China fit these on existing destroyers? Those destroyers are pretty packed in terms of equipment and power consumption. I don't think they will be able to retrofit these lasers easily. So, these lasers might be for newer ship designs coming online in the future.

Power consumption is less of an issue, considering how "overpowered" 055 is, in any case a 300kW laser is not going add a lot more burden to a 4X28MW ship.

Space though is an issue. IMO only when lasers are considered to be superior to CIWS will we start to see lasers on board replacing things like 1130.

Another possibility is perhaps redesigning the integrated mast to leave room for lasers system, this would be the optimal solution giving laser turret the topmost position with clear los and better range against sea skimmers
 

Blitzo

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I have noticed a lot less coping from the western media about the parades this time. This particular video was quite good. They are coping a little bit about China's military being "untested" but they are not dismissing China' technological prowess any longer. They are concerned about China slowly leap frogging US in military tech.

I think the realization is hitting home.

Sam Roggevveen is better than most commentators in Australia, on PLA matters.
 

Temstar

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Maybe the Laser can replace the front CIWS and there is a CIWS/RAM combo in the rear.
One of the draw back with laser is its seriously affected by atmosphere conditions like fog and rain. Even if it worked well as CIWS on a clear day and offered advantage in terms of ammo sustainability and tracking, would you really want to trust on this system if its effectiveness is reduced by an unknown degree the next day because it's raining?

That said, if lasers keep increasing in power than it may become a non-issue. If it's only 50% effective on a foggy day and that's still plenty powerful in its CIWS role because it's just that powerful then you just accept it and consider the extra power on a clear day as a bonus.
 

gk1713

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It seems that the 191 is going to be following submachine gun and carbine carry and saluting protocols. Since everyone unit marching in the parade carried 191s other than the PAP with 03s doing the traditional fixed bayonets salutes.

Is there any specific reason 191s weren't doing bayonet salutes like the old type 81 and 03 did in previous parades?

I always liked the look of goose stepping with bayonets forward.
The Army formation did it right?
 

bebops

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I personally would like to thank India for this recent change. These days when people say Chinese weapons are untested you can always reply with 6-0 baby.

After thoughts on the parade from our friend at twz:
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Democracy is not really that important. Regardless who you vote, the parties doesn't care about the people. Alot of people are living paycheck to paycheck and struggling badly.

where you find his post. I will post this to his reply.

That said, if lasers keep increasing in power than it may become a non-issue. If it's only 50% effective on a foggy day and that's still plenty powerful in its CIWS role because it's just that powerful then you just accept it and consider the extra power on a clear day as a bonus.

They need to add HPM to the mix with the laser. HPM can kill a swarm
 
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