2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

zyklon

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Plenty on previous pages.

Since you claim to have "plenty" to work with, cite some specific footage already.



USA doesn't share a border with Israel either, but..

You're wrong as usual: you're operating under the erroneous assumption that the US is both willing and able to put a significant number of American lives in harm's way inside Iran in a clandestine capacity.

What the US principally brought to bear here was the ability to strike Iranian targets with giant munitions like the GBU-57, which are too big for the IAF to reasonably handle.

OTOH in terms of ground game inside Iran, the US is far more reliant on Israel than the other way around. This is also one reason why some American officials will believe in Israeli intelligence reporting over what their own IC produces, despite obvious incentives for the Israelis to lie.
 
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tokenanalyst

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This how I think the events this war started and how it ended.

Netanyahu after months of convincing that let him do and attack, overestimating the Israel air force capabilities and the reliability of their defense systems.

Netanyahu: Mr. President, I can assure that if you let us do this attack we can get rid of Iran nuclear program and do regime change in Iran and the US doesn't have to move a finger.
Trump: But but we don't have to get involved, right?
Netanyahu: No, Mr. president, Iran is so weak that we can handle the ourself, we will only need you help for refueling and missile defense.
Trump: As long we don't get involve attacking Iran I don't see the problem.

The war start and the Israelis launch a surprise attack on Iran, they disable Iran AD, they kill officials left and right and start bombing Iran nuclear facilities thinking that everything will be over in a week, Iranian love for Western tech had been use against them
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But then the Iranians start firing saturations attack to Israel, some of the missiles are going through the multi-layer AD hitting israel military facilities, government building and even damaging the hitting the air defense batteries. The Israelis didn't expected that the missiles will pass through and worse, the accuracy of these missiles in much better than expected. In the Iranian front now the Israeli air forces has to decide whatever attack Iran nuclear facilities or degrade Iran military capabilities, they start to panic, the Iranian missile force is deep in the mountains and spread over a large area, the Israelis know they don't have the capabilities cause enough damage to Iran missile force fast enough before their AD degrade so much that every Israeli city is just a sitting duck for Iranian missiles. The israeli command beg Netanyahu to beg Trump for the US for help.

Netanyahu: Mr. President. The nation of Israel need you help. Please help us to end this job.
Trump: BUT YOU TOLD ME THAT WE DON'T HAVE TO GET INVOLVE, YOU SHOULDN'T STARTED THIS IF YOU COULDN'T FINISH YOURSELF.

The Israel lobby and the Mossad start their campaign in D.C. to get the US involved in the war. And then Trump lost it.

Trump: NUKE THE DAMN HELL OUT IRAN, I WANT TO BOMB EVERY SINGLE CORNER OF THAT COUNTRY. F*CKING NETANYAHU.
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Then Trump advisers tell him that the best course of action is to bomb Fordow using bunker busters, Trump want it to do it in the weekends because, of course the markets, meanwhile Israelis cities were getting hammered by Iranian missiles, Netanyahu begging in the phone, Trump getting even more angry. A total disaster. The US called the Iranians that are going to bomb these facilities and should evacuate everyone and the Iranians called the US and told them that evacuate their base in Qatar.

Trump called Netanyahu and told him to either end the war or lose US support and the Iran to either end the war or the US will get involved.

The Israelis dropped whatever they have left in Iran and the Iranians launched a final missile attack.
 

GulfLander

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Jordanian Foreign Minister
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Claim from an alleged german reporter.
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I guess this one is related to this thread too..
Iraq will investigate suicide drone attacks on radar systems at two military bases, Sabah al-Numan, the military spokesman for the Iraqi prime minister, said on Tuesday, adding that Iraqi forces intercepted several other attempted incursions.

“Several small suicide drones targeted multiple Iraqi military sites and bases,” according to the spokesman. No casualties were reported.

No one has claimed responsibility for the attacks, and the government has not yet identified any perpetrators.
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Anlsvrthng

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lets do the math.

By USA the vailabel Patriot interceptors are about 1500 USA stock + 1500 not USA controlled.

Israel say have 1000 david sling/arrow.

As it looks like by end of next week Israel will run out of interceptors.
Quatar and all other country around Iran learn by hard way that they need lot of interceptor, and used up on few missile 1% of they stockpile.

Weekly production is around 10-15 interceptor + modified air to air missiles for German and so systems. Let say weekly is 30 .

Russia using up around 40-50 missile a week to strike Ukraine.

Above numbers means that if the USA has to pull the plug from Ukraine then it immedietly double the effectivness of the Russian attacks.

At the same time Israel will need new stockpile of missiles. As well the Gulf states. As well the USA military in the Gulf.


So , at the end of the day the USA and Co. two weeks ago had 4k missile stock, now they run it down to 3k, and there is no chance to bulid it back .
Even if Ukraine receive 0 missile it well need good two years to go back to the state where it was 2 weeks ago.

And as a bonus, if Israel will be re-stocked then Russia will enjoy a 100 % strike fficiency increase in Ukraine.

I think Netanjahu working for Putin .
 
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