2025 Israel - Iranian conflict
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This is why the west is so dangerous, they don't care about the truth and can lie to its people without batting an eye. These are the same people who funded terrorists as freedom fighters.
Keep in mind Islam isn't even native to Persians. They had their own religion before it. Unlike the rest of the middle east, Persians are very strong in STEM and even with all the gov controls, truth is many people are quite secular and don't really care that much about this religious stuff.
So basically you have a religious government against secular minded people. What a wonderful combination. Def won't cause any issues.
US will send in troops to spread democracy on Iranian (s)oil afterwards
Iran is one of the roadblocks for the west. After Iran is gone, they will set their sights on China fully.
I heard Israel had simultaneously targeted hundred of sites on Iran. If US and its allies were to do that on China yesterday, is it possible China can defend itself preemptively??
This is probably the new strategy for the West. To hit hundreds of sites at once.
"US will send in troops to spread democracy on Iranian (s)oil afterwards"
Troops and missiles to target China. This way, China is being surrounded from West to East.
The average age in Iran is ~33, so most Iranians are too young to recall the Pahlavi regime, or how they suppressed domestic dissidents with US assistance.
However, they're obviously aware of the economic and proxy warfare that Washington has waged against their country for decades, which is now on the verge of intensifying into a full blown war.
So the average Iranian does not need to recall the 1970s to have reason to hate America.
Though at the same time there's also a not insignificant segment of Iranian society — usually more secular, educated and will to do Iranians, often with relatives in the West — who would love to see a secular regime replace the existing clerical regime, if for no other reason so they and their relatives can more easily study in or transact with the US.
That's just the Israelis being Israelis.
In 1967, they even killed 34 Americans while attacking an US Navy SIGINT vessel. You might have heard of the USS Liberty.
Threatening and harming UN peacekeepers from China is just typical Israeli behavior against UN peacekeepers in general. They don't really discriminate against UN peacekeepers on the basis of national origin.
The Israelis are an obnoxious bunch, but this shouldn't be interpreted as aggression or hostility towards China so much as the UN.
Funny you say that, one reason the US continues to hate Iran is because the Iranians, in particular the IRGC Quds unit, went out of their way to train and arm Shiite insurgents battling American forces in Iraq in the 2000s.
The American national security establishment blames Iran for the death of hundreds of American service members, especially those who succumbed to EFPs that Iran supplied to Iraqi insurgents.
At that time the Iranians appeared quite competent to the Americans, and such an outlook could be revivable in a counterinsurgency environment.
Historically speaking, there's been more bad blood between Arabs and Persians than Arabs and Jews.
And Iranians are not Arabs
All the countries that helped Israel shoot down the drones has more favorable view of China than Iran. A Iran with a diffrent government that can get rich/integrate in the world may end up being a better partner with China than the current govt that is fixated on screwing around with its neighbors. You need money and industry to build a competent modern military.
One thing I have noticed so far is China will always find a way to make the best of things even when there is regime/leadership change.
Not too long ago I was hearing about how China was getting cornered coz Brazil/Argentina/South Korea elected right wingers who were opposed to China. Well now we look back and see how badly those comments aged.
Honestly if you are somehow able to make even a very hostile regime to you still able to discuss mutually beneficial deals, that's a pretty broken power imo. It means it doesn't matter who's in power. Of coz I think it's too good to be true.