2024 Zhuhai Airshow main thread, Air Systems

[gelgoog]

The airframe losses of Su-35 and Su-57 are really low. And you have to see that both those aircraft have way higher airframe and engine lifetimes than previous Flanker aircraft.

The main issue is with the close air support. Ka-52, Mi-28, Su-25, and Su-34 losses. They lost a lot of helicopters and these typically require much more maintenance than a fixed wing aircraft.

 

[F=XX Corsair]

India literally got "scammed" by Russia with their now-cancelled FGFA project. I doubt they would want anything to do with the Su-57.

Yeah I forgot abt that.
Anyways, India seriously need 5th gen to counter the growing number of chinese 5th gen and upcoming PAK J-35E 5th gen.

I think @Index is right no need for geuss games this early.

Back to Zhuhai J-10CE is attracting visitors.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

Yep, but Interfax has it too:

2024 Zhuhai Airshow main thread, Air Systems

A sale might happen. The Russian Air Force does not want more Su-57 with the original configuration and they need to keep the line open until the Su-57M enters production. As is, they keep producing aircraft and delivering them to the Russian Air Force past the original order. That's no-one...

www.sinodefenceforum.com

Now also confirmed by TASS. Posted by Cute Orca on Weibo.

 

[gelgoog]

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[defenceman]

Hi,
all the other countries beside Iran might get away with CAATSA, or Russians
don’t care or the countries who are buying, my Q here is then why not NK,
being a Russian ally with whatever they can provide them why not SU57 for
the North Korea
thank you

 

[gelgoog]

North Korea is under UN Security Council sanctions. Those are problematic to break just outright.
For Russia to sell them weapons would need some kind of plausible deniability.

Algeria, India, have already shown in the past they do not care about CAATSA and Vietnam the same.
Iran is under heavy sanctions already so it is not like they care.

 

[Gloire_bb]

India literally got "scammed" by Russia with their now-cancelled FGFA project. I doubt they would want to have anything to do with the Su-57 or even Sukhoi at this point.

India wanted ToT and full development participation for 1 billion investment. Which is sort of ridiculous, and people who suggested this negotiating position were truly out of touch with reality.

When they got angry after that didn't play out - they were very welcome to (not) get 30-years old tech from the French for an order of magnitude more money.

Of course, Amca will save them soon.

 

[by78]

Customers from afar.

 

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[sahureka]

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