2022 Olympic Winter Games Beijing

Hyper

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Makoto Tsubokura, a professor at Kobe University specializing in fluid engineering said, “such a dream is only possible with Fugaku. With the supercomputer, it is even possible to simulate a huge pattern at high speed and have AI (Artificial Intelligence) make proposals.”
You my friend are easily falling for the hype . They will probably have used fugaku supercomputer. Speeds at which athelete ski does not require the computing power of a supercomputer. It is like designing cars with supercomputer.(that last quote was bu a professor who works on Sunway )
Also read the tweet that I sent.
 

Jiang ZeminFanboy

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I don't get the hype with Eileen Gu. It's cool that she decided to represent China at the Olympics, and even more cool that she won the gold. But the hundreds millions of $ from advertisement she earns will most likely spent in the USA.

How about the Chinese athletes born in China? Do they get the same treatment? They live in China, spent they money in China and train in China.
 

Hyper

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I don't get the hype with Eileen Gu. It's cool that she decided to represent China at the Olympics, and even more cool that she won the gold. But the hundreds millions of $ from advertisement she earns will most likely spent in the USA.

How about the Chinese athletes born in China? Do they get the same treatment? They live in China, spent they money in China and train in China.
Millionaires do not spend left and right . At least if the wish to be in the 2 comma club. Tres commas is different.
 

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I don't know what I did to make it seem that my tone had softened. I completely maintain that Asians who fail to represent their blood nation but instead a hostile Caucasian nation are a disgrace to every person in their ancestry and a continuous burden on their fellow Asians. Nothing has changed from my original post.

OK, that's fine and I agree but this conversation is limited to the scope of perception through Olympic achievement. Overall, medals and Olympics don't matter; science and technology do. But on this thread, the Olympics and medals matter.

I see many Asians being more athletic than before. When I was in grad school, there were few Chinese at the gym and the ones that were there were there to check out the machines and play badminton. Now, I see a massive amount of Asians and Chinese at the gym, actually working out, maybe in every greater proportion than any other race. I took up Muay thai and Olympic weighlifting so I'm doing my part. I never criticize someone for "poor" athletic performance; just being active puts you ahead of the general population.

I don't wanna get too far off topic, but I love road bikes. I build them and flip them for profit. I get new bikes and sell old ones every week. I currently have 7 with the best one being a 2010 Lance Armstrong colored Trek Madone 6.9 with 7900 Dura Ace and Bontrager Aeolus 5.0 carbon clinchers, which I'll sell when the weather gets warm but I'm too heavy to be competitive at cycling and I worked to be this heavy.

This only applies to those carving out a nice living for themselves. Never would I have half a kind word for a Chinese person who insults China to please foreigners or one who brings credit to a foreign rival at China's expense. If you don't respect your bloodline, you don't respect yourself; a strong person never forgets who he is or melts away to become someone else from peer pressure. These people forever remain disgraceful in my book.

It's true. A united China is unstoppable; whether it be in tech or sports, no country can rise to the top without using Chinese people. China's worst enemy is traitorous Chinese people, so I can never show kindness to them. Growing up, my father told me that the fate of a traitor is always to be squeezed to death by both sides with neither trusting him and he deserves every bit and more. I'm not sure I understand you; you want to show kindness to falun gong, Hong Kong cockroaches, TW separatists? Is that what you're saying or am I not understanding?

That's how the world works; I can't hunt down Chinese traitors across the globe but I'm saying I look down on them worse that any other lifeform or inanimate object in existence.

I think that. Does she and her family think that? Not so sure.

She's inspirational and I appreciate that but she sure made good bank for herself and she never locked herself to one side. She could easily slip back to the US for the next comp. Opportunist? Predator? We'll see.
I see we differ in two main ways:
1) you see oversea Chinese as serving local masters. I see it as neo-colonialism. In the US Asians take a lot of the good jobs. I think their political influence will grow over time as money buys power. I think PRC is smart to try to maintain good relationship but generally treat foreign citizens as foreign citizens.

2) I am much more, if not extremely, careful not letting my patriotism and nationalism turn inward. I am glad you agree a united china is unstoppable. But how will China achieve its unity? I can't imagine liberally handing out harsh labels like disgrace, traitor will bring people together. From the 50s to the end of cultural revolution, countless Chinese people were labelled traitors, anti-revolutionaries, rightist and suffered greatly, with many killed.

I don't know any falun gong (and avoid them). But I know Hongkongers that would consider themselves in the pro-democracy camp (but certainly not black terror) and Taiwanese that are pro-independence (majority of Taiwanese are now pro-independence). and yes I still treat them as friends and am kind to them because kinship takes priority over politics. In today's PRC, which I am a proud citizen of, only the state has the power to hand out judgment and punishment according to the law on things like treason and separatism. Until any of my friends from Hongkong and Taiwan are convicted of such crimes, I will treat them as friends (But certainly will continue to articulate PRC's perspective in a friendly and respectful manner). They are respectful to me as well and I think my kind and moderate views improved their image of PRC although they continue to be surprised by my strong support for the CCP and particularly Xi. Interestingly the one Chinese that was really rude to me was a PRC->US citizen/trump supporter. Strong judgment of me with some pretty harsh words simply because I praised the CCP for what they objectively did well.

Any observers of US politics are seeing the political divide is becoming "struggle between enemies" rather than "amicable differences within the people". You see strong words like "traitor" used more and more often among Americans themselves for political differences. I just want to remind my fellow Chinese, when we laugh at them, we should reflect and try not to do that ourselves.

Kudos on the bikes. I am in the 'steel is real' camp. Always fantasized a Pegoretti (but never indulged one). But I wouldn't let that come between us. ;)
 

NiuBiDaRen

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You my friend are easily falling for the hype . They will probably have used fugaku supercomputer. Speeds at which athelete ski does not require the computing power of a supercomputer. It is like designing cars with supercomputer.(that last quote was bu a professor who works on Sunway )
Also read the tweet that I sent.
I don't know how much complexity fluid dynamics needs. Not an expert here.

All I know is that in chess, which I play, supercomputers are required for truly high level analysis. Leela Chess and AlphaZero. The first program to defeat Kasparov required the Deep Blue supercomputer back in 1998 in order to defeat a pro player.

For chess, you wouldn't get enough nodes on a powerful regular computer.

But I don't know anything about fluid dynamics.

I mean in ski jumping, you have 8 to 10 different wind speeds being constantly measured throughout the 100 metres (300 feet) of ski jumping. Every 20 feet there is a different wind speed requiring to be computed. Doesn't that require a heck amount of computing power to plot the efficiency through every 20 feet for 300 feet? There are multiple wind speeds changing in real time.

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With high-speed supercomputers, better solutions can be achieved, and are often required to solve the largest and most complex problems.

The U.S. team enlisted supercomputing firm Exa to model the sled's fluid dynamics in order to minimize drag-inducing air vortexes that form behind riders' heads.

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Hyper

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I don't know how much complexity fluid dynamics needs. Not an expert here.

All I know is that in chess, which I play, supercomputers are required for truly high level analysis. Leela Chess and AlphaZero. The first program to defeat Kasparov required the Deep Blue supercomputer back in 1998 in order to defeat a pro player.

For chess, you wouldn't get enough nodes on a powerful regular computer.

But I don't know anything about fluid dynamics.
In CFD you reach at an estimation ( pde estimation ) . Chess is quite different , hard and fast rules. It is not that you can't simulate ski gear on the fugaku . Only that it is overkill.
 

NiuBiDaRen

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In CFD you reach at an estimation ( pde estimation ) . Chess is quite different , hard and fast rules. It is not that you can't simulate ski gear on the fugaku . Only that it is overkill.
In chess they require supercomputers to kill off one another.

At the Olympic level they are competing similarly within the smallest margin of errors. Regular computers might not be enough.

If not they wouldn't be using wind tunnels and supercomputers to design bobsleds etc. Just use a regular computer.
 

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I don't know how much complexity fluid dynamics needs. Not an expert here.

All I know is that in chess, which I play, supercomputers are required for truly high level analysis. Leela Chess and AlphaZero. The first program to defeat Kasparov required the Deep Blue supercomputer back in 1998 in order to defeat a pro player.

For chess, you wouldn't get enough nodes on a powerful regular computer.

But I don't know anything about fluid dynamics.

I mean in ski jumping, you have 8 to 10 different wind speeds being constantly measured throughout the 100 metres (300 feet) of ski jumping. Every 20 feet there is a different wind speed requiring to be computed. Doesn't that require a heck amount of computing power to plot the efficiency through every 20 feet for 300 feet? There are multiple wind speeds changing in real time.

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The U.S. team enlisted supercomputing firm Exa to model the sled's fluid dynamics in order to minimize drag-inducing air vortexes that form behind riders' heads.

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Its all about point of deminishing returns... these days Chess and Go do not need supercomputers... I can run LeelaChessZero and KataGo AI on my desktop PC with rtx3090 and its good enough as a supercomputer


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As for the sled thing, its advertising for US supercomputer, they didnt need it. Honestly could have hired some Indians for $5 on Fiverr to use Simulia PowerFlow to solved it for them

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China men only lost to Germany 2-3, and held Canada to 0-5. Pretty good actually.

Progress.
That's an an okay score. I was fearing the worst. There was this Canadian fan who was looking forward to his team "brutalize" team china in ice hockey cuz he felt china cheated in short track skating. Idiot.
 
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