2020: JMSDF & PLAN Surface Combatant strength

Jeff Head

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New news...which could represent a significant build-up and major upgrade to JMSDF capabilities if it proceeds to construction and deployment.

The Japanese have apparently proposed another new carrier vessel for the Japanese Maritime Self defense Force (JMSDF). This is in addition to the two Hyuga Class (16DDH) vessels already built and the two Kaga Class (22DDG) vessels which are currently building.

These new vessels would displace 24,000 tons each, but would not include additional troop or cargo/vehicle transport capabilities (as the Hyuga and Kaga Classes do) and would thus increase the size of its air wing. In addition, these vessels are apparently being purpose designed for fixed wing aircraft operations. Here is a write up regarding the new carrier from a 21C forum announcing and discussing projects from the Technical Research and Development Institute in Japan:

26DDH Aircraft Carrier

26DDH is a new major Japanese destroyer program. The 26DDH is being designed with its primary function to provide long-range air-defense, with secondary roles, providing anti-surface warfare, anti-submarine warfare, and serving as a command and control vessel. This vessel is designed with lessons and technologies derived from other recent destroyer programs (the Atago class, the Hyuga class, the Akizuki class and the Kaga Class) while also representing a doctrinal shift in Japanese maritime defense thinking. This shift will blend the technologies already implemented in other new Japanese military ship designs in a unique way, allowing the ships to fulfill their missions. As such, these vessels will not be comparable to any other JMSDF class in service today. One way of explaining their primary function is to compare them to historical precedents. If existing Japanese helicopter destroyers like the Hyuga and Kaga classes would be compared to the escort carriers during World War II, then these new vessels would be comparable to the Sea Control ship proposed in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s by the US Navy.

Accordingly, the ship’s primary mission is to harness its survivability, range, and the power of naval aviation in order to defend Japanese territory and sea lanes. As such, each ship will be designed to carry one squadron of aircraft for fleet and air defense, one squadron of aircraft for anti-submarine warfare, and one squadron of aircraft for long-range sensing. These three squadrons will make up the primary weapons system of the ship. The three aviation squadrons will provide four salient capabilities for the fleet; fleet/air defense, anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, and recon/search functions. The 26DDH will focus on the deployment of fixed-wing aviation, with emphasis on extended range over existing JMSDF capabilities and all-weather operations. This air wing will be comprised of twelve (12) F-35B attack/fighter aircraft, eight (8) V-22 Osprey aircraft, and four (4) SH-60K helicopters. The Ospreys will provide enhanced cargo, ASW, ASuW, and AEW&C capabilities for the fleet.

In terms of the ship design itself, the 26DDH will be 3,000 tons smaller than the preceding Kaga-class, but they will have a larger air-wing. This will be accomplished by eliminating provisions for troop transport, or other cargo transport beyond what is required for the stated missions of the ship. Improved automation will also reduce the crew of the ship substantially. Despite its smaller size, the 26DDH will be longer than the Kaga-class to improve the ease of short-takeoff operations, therby also increasing the range and weapons capacity of the aircraft deployed on-board. The 26DDH will also have a larger self defense capability than the other JMSDF vessels of the Kaga and Hyuga classes. This will consist of adding peripheral VLS (Mk 57) cells for an area defense capability as a compliment to the area defense capabilities of its AEGIS and/or Akizuki escorts. These VLS cells will carry both Standard and ESSM missiles. In addition, the vessels will carry two 21 cell RAM missile launchers, and two 20mm Phalanx CIWS.

The first ship is expected to be ordered in 2014, and commissioned in 2018. The cost of each ship will be $1.5 Billion. Two ships of the class are proposed to be included in each of the JMSDF destroyer flotillas. If this holds true, then it will mean that the production run of the 26DDH vessels will be significantly larger than those of the Hyuga and Kaga classes which produced two vessels each, and would produce a total of eight of these vessels

Specifications:

Displacement: 24,000t (full)
Length: 250m (812 ft)
Beam: 35m (123 ft)
Draft: 7.5m (25 ft)
Propulsion: COGAG, two shafts
Speed: 32kt
Range: 15,000km at 15 knots
Crew: 800
Sensors:
- ATECS OYQ-11 CDS Battle Management System
- FCS-3A Anti-air Warfare Aystem
- OPS-50 Surface Search Radar
- OQQ-22 Integrated Hull Sonar
- OQR-3 Towed Array
Aircraft:
- 12 x F-35B attack/fighter Aircraft
- 08 x HV-22 Osprey Aircraft
- 04 x SH-60K Helicopters
Armament:
- 2 x Sea RAM (21 missiles each for a total of 42)
- 2 x 20mm Phalanx
- 8 x Mk 57 4-cell modules (32 cells)
 
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Blitzo

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This would be a very decent pocket carrier -- ahem, destroyer -- if it emerges.

But considering the JASDF reluctance to commit to a large F-35 buy at the moment on the basis of cost, along with the little to no wind behind the sails of the V-22 AEW proposal (factoring in the reluctance of customers to fork out on unproven projects), I can't help but feel this is a bit premature. Certainly committing to eight of these ships would give the JMSDF a massive boost in capability but probably will end up freaking quite a large chunk of east asia out of their pants.


Can I request a link to the original source?
 

Jeff Head

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Can I request a link to the original source?
Sure, here:

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There's a link in the contents to the 26DDH.

I cannot say that this is the original, just that they reported on it from the Technical Research and Development Institute, which is a part of the Japnese Ministry of Defense.
 

luhai

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If this holds true, then it will mean that the production run of the 26DDH vessels will be significantly larger than those of the Hyuga and Kaga classes which produced two vessels each, and would produce a total of eight of these vessels

So 3 Osumi Class + 2 Hyuga Class+ 2 Kaga class + 8 26DDH = 15 Pocket carriers in the not too distant future.

Assume IJN.... JMSDF keep up with escort numbers as well, that is one big navy. Can Japan's economy afford it, assume they keep the welfare state.
 

Mr T

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Jeff, very interesting, although I can only see this as a proposal rather than a firm plan at the moment. I don't think Japan has shown real interest in the F-35B or F-35C yet, has it?

luhai, I don't think you can count the Osumi-class as a "pocket-carrier". It's not designed for that purpose. And if the Hyugas and Kagas aren't designed for fixed-wing aircraft they'd have to be refitted at significant expense. I think if Japan is going for fixed-wing carriers they'll be specifically designed for that purpose.
 

A.Man

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New news...which could represent a significant build-up and major upgrade to JMSDF capabilities.

The Japanese have apparently proposed another new carrier vessel for the Japanese Maritime Self defense Force (JMSDF). This is in addition to the two Hyuga Class (16DDH) vessels already built and the two Kaga Class (22DDG) vessels which are currently building.

These new vessels would displace 24,000 tons each, but would not include any additional troop or cargo/vehicle transport capabilities (as the Hyuga and Kaga Classes do) and would thus increase the size of its air wing. In addition, these vessels are apparently being purpose designed for fixed wing aircraft operations. Here is a write up regarding the new carrier from a 21C forum announcing and discussing projects from the Technical Research and Development Institute in Japan:

26DDH Aircraft Carrier

26DDH is a new major Japanese destroyer program. The 26DDH has is being desinged with its primary function to provide long-range air-defense, with secondary roles, providing anti-surface warfare, anti-submarine warfae, and serving as a command and control vessel. This vessel is designed with lessons and technologies derived from other recent destroyer programs (the Atago class, the Hyuga class, the Akizuki class and the Kaga Class) while also representing a doctrinal shift in Japanese maritime defense thinking. This shift will blend the technologies already implemented in other new Japanese military ship designs in a unique way, allowing the ships to fulfill their missions. As such, these vessels will not be comparable to any other JMSDF class in service today. One of explaining their primary function is to compare them to historical precedents. If existing Japanese helicopter destroyers like the Hyuga and Kaga classes would be compared to the escort carriers during World War II, then these new vessels would be comparable to the Sea Control ship proposed in the late ‘70s and early ‘80s by the US Navy.

Accordingly, the ship’s primary mission is to harness its survivability, range, and the power of naval aviation in order to defend Japanese territory and sea lanes. As such, each ship will be designed to carry one squadron of aircraft for fleet and air defense, one squadron of aircraft for anti-submarine warfare, and one squadron of aircraft for long-range sensing. These three squadrons will make up the primary weapons system of the ship. The three aviation squadrons will provide four salient capabilities for the fleet; fleet/air defense, anti-submarine warfare, anti-surface warfare, and recon/search functions. The 26DDH will focus on the deployment of fixed-wing aviation, with emphasis on extended range over existing JMSDF capabilities and all-weather operations. This air wing will be comprised of twelve (12) F-35B attack/fighter aircraft, eight (8) V-22 Osprey aircraft, and four (4) SH-60K helicopters. The Ospreys will provide enhanced cargo, ASW, and AEW&C capabilities for the fleet.

In terms of the ship design itself, the 26DDH although the vessels will be 3,000 tons smaller than the preceding Kaga-class, they will have a larger air-wing. This will be accomplished by eliminating provisions for troop transport, or other cargo transport beyond what is required for the stated missions of the ship. Improved automation will also reduce the crew of the ship substantially. Despite its smaller size, the 26DDH will be longer than the Kaga-class to improve the ease of short-takeoff operations, indirectly increasing the range and weapons capacity of the aircraft deployed on-board. The 26DDH will also have a larger self defense capability than the other JMSDF vessels of the Kaga and Hyuga classes. This will consist of adding peripheral VLS (Mk 57) cells in order to add an area defense capability as a compliment to the area defense capabilities of its AEGIS and/or Akizuki escorts. These VLS cells will carry both Standard and ESSM missiles.

The first ship is expected to be ordered in 2014, and commissioned in 2018. The cost of each ship will be $1.5 Billion. Two ships of the class are proposed to be included in each of the JMSDF destroyer flotillas. If this holds true, then it will mean that the production run of the 26DDH vessels will be significantly larger than those of the Hyuga and Kaga classes which produced two vessels each, and would produce a total of eight of these vessels

Specifications:

Displacement: 24,000t (full)
Length: 250m (812 ft)
Beam: 35m (123 ft)
Draft: 7.5m (25 ft)
Propulsion: COGAG, two shafts
Speed: 32kt
Range: 15,000km at 15 knots
Sensors:
Crew: 800
- ATECS OYQ-11 CDS Battle Management System
- FCS-3A Anti-air Warfare Aystem
- OPS-50 Surface Search Radar
- OQQ-22 Integrated Hull Sonar
- OQR-3 Towed Array
Aircraft:
- 12 x F-35B attack/fighter Aircraft
- 08 x HV-22 Osprey Aircraft
- 04 x SH-60K Helicopters
Armament:
- 2 x Sea RAM (21 missiles each for a total of 42)
- 2 x 20mm Phalanx
- 8 x Mk 57 4-cell modules (32 cells)

They sound like Japan's take on the Soviet carrier/cruiser hybrid.
 
So 3 Osumi Class + 2 Hyuga Class+ 2 Kaga class + 8 26DDH = 15 Pocket carriers in the not too distant future.

Assume IJN.... JMSDF keep up with escort numbers as well, that is one big navy. Can Japan's economy afford it, assume they keep the welfare state.

Sounds to me that the JMSDF is building a force that all on its own will be able to at least keep tabs on if not dominate the PLAN when both navies are operating in blue water. Such a large number of Japanese pocket carriers will enable the JMSDF to have at least one each to form the core of a SAG and have enough such SAGs to match PLAN blue water SAGs on a one-to-one basis. As the PLAN only has one carrier which is still in the process of being made operational and no other significant blue water naval air assets, this is the most effective way for the JMSDF to preserve a significant edge over the PLAN in blue water.
 

Jeff Head

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Jeff, very interesting, although I can only see this as a proposal rather than a firm plan at the moment. I don't think Japan has shown real interest in the F-35B or F-35C yet.
I agree that it is currently a proposal...but it is a detailed and well thought pout one.

I guess we will know when we see a cpy of their 2014 spending, and projections forward. If we see a 26DDH in there, we will know it hads progressed past the planning stage to the funding stage.

Eight of these vessels would be a significant force in the WESTPAC...heck, four of them would be.
 
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