2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

SampanViking said:

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Input from native Russian/Ukrainian speakers appreciated.

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well, Russian became my fourth language (used to be the third), and I couldn't speak in Ukrainian ... but the subtitles are correct; the only thing I noticed: the Officer (with the cell phone) used "twenty-fours" for the helicopters (SampanViking would use "Hinds"

Looks like the electoral districts in eastern Ukraine can operate tomorrow because of rebel attacks. I suppose it's better than nothing, but it's a real shame. Still Ukraine needs the election to go ahead because it can't have a provisional government forever.

Presidential voting day

The murk could not be murkier.
Yesterday Donetsk and Luhansk announced union as New Russia, attended by delegated from another another six regions.

Putin has of course agreed to abide by the decision of the Poll, which leads one to believe that an agreement has been made with the likely winner.

Putin says he will recognise and work with the winner; widely anticipated to be Petro Poroshenko. The bigger question however, is can the same be said for the Coup appointed Interim government and their international backers?

Jura said:

Kurt, to me, your post is confusing as usual so I might misunderstood you, but look:

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There is the Russian militia with Russian flags on helmets and hexagonal wooden shields.

This seems to be true, while that picture seems to confirm what the blogger says (by the way, did you read the captions, Kurt?), which is the pro-Russian force collaborated with the Police. But again, I don't know what happened in Odessa on May 2, and I don't defend alleged Fascist nor alleged Anti-Fascist.

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Do not believe written source. Just analyse pictures as they are. Afterwards take the written accounts into consideration.
Police does appear with both armed groups. The claim by the blogger must be refuted as objective, but it is a subjective insight from someone, who was there. It is possible that police did more cooperation with one group than with another, but this can not be deducted from the pictures.

Kurt said:

Do not believe written source. Just analyse pictures as they are. Afterwards take the written accounts into consideration.
Police does appear with both armed groups. The claim by the blogger must be refuted as objective, but it is a subjective insight from someone, who was there. It is possible that police did more cooperation with one group than with another, but this can not be deducted from the pictures.

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Kurt, while you didn't disappoint me with what you've just said, I remember even better post of yours: the one from March 23, which luckily arrived into my mailbox before it's got deleted by Modetator(s) Do you have a copy of it? In case you don't, just tell me, Kurt

SampanViking said:

The bigger question however, is can the same be said for the Coup appointed Interim government and their international backers?

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The only coup-appointed I'm aware of in the news is the Thai junta.

If you mean the provisional Ukrainian government, legally appointed by the Rada, they will automatically step aside as soon as the presidential election is over. Doesn't matter what they want, they'll be gone. Unless of course the new president wants to keep some of them on, which I suppose is theoretically possible.

So Petro Poroshenko won the election and without contests from other candidates that should be final, it's interesting to see how things go from here...Poroshenko surely has to stake the claim on Crimea but it's nigh-impossible to have Moscow cough that out now, so now he'll have a hard time to convince to the economically important Eastern Ukraine to stay in the Ukraine, even if only by name, at least he has yet openly oppose the Federalisation idea right?

Last month he did stated that he won't push for Ukraine to join the NATO so there's hope he'd be sensible when comes to dealings with Russia, but still he has to deal with the "EU or Russia" problem and disarm all those parties and organizations who seized substantial amounts of firearms during the chaos earlier this year.

I have no idea if Poroshenko will be a good president, but I think it was good he appears to have won outright without the need for a second round. This will ensure Ukraine's new government can get to work faster.

Mr T said:

I have no idea if Poroshenko will be a good president, but I think it was good he appears to have won outright without the need for a second round. This will ensure Ukraine's new government can get to work faster.

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Whether he's "good" or not will be judged 5 years later, but right now his goal towards more integration with EU will be a very difficult one at best, because even in best of times Brussels won't want a new member that's broke and in de-facto civil war, and worse the recent EU election right-wing elements scored major victory; and it's to be seen how he'd deal with Moscow, Crimea will surely the thorny issue here.

MwRYum said:

right now his goal towards more integration with EU will be a very difficult one at best, because even in best of times Brussels won't want a new member that's broke and in de-facto civil war

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First, Brussels makes no decision on who joins the EU. It's up to member states to agree. Second, the road to membership is a long one. There are things that he can do simply to take a few steps along the road. And the EU will probably be happy to allow Ukraine to take those steps. It helps show confidence in Ukraine, whilst also showing Russia it can't treat the country like its own backyard.