2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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To be honest, when I started reading these stories in the Western media today, my first reaction was to check the copy date, to see if it said April 1st.

It really sounds like some form of disinformation or maybe a psy ops of some sort. I think if a new force; tens of thousands strong, had really appeared and was changing the political face of areas of the Donbass, that it would have been major news and a top item of the televised bulletins. But of course it was not and what we have is heresay.

Its not really a surprise though, as the top story of this week has been, how little news on the crisis has been reported at all. This means that either very little in happening or lots if happening behind the scenes and nobody is currently reporting it.

I also wonder where these tens of thousands of pro Kiev Steel workers were last weekend during the weekend referendum? I also wonder how they were able to achieve a job that the army were unable to achieve, just a week ago.

If there is anything in this story at all, it will be some local internal manoeuvrings within the Pro Federalist camp, probably a more able actor, replacing a poorly performing local activist leader.

Thank you for the Bristol perspective. I mean it, I thought you would ignore this (so I was wrong heheh)
Let me add two things:

1. This part of the world had been run by the magnate class (the higher nobility) for centuries. I know historical remarks are not allowed in this thread, so I go on. "A replacement" now has the form of Billionaires (as you might have noticed, the third largest Ukrainian town is quiet despite a large percentage of Russian-speaking population; guess why). Ordinary people in that region know they are Puppets. They have always been.

2. At gazeta.ru, I went through interview(s) with leader(s) of pro-Russian fighters. Some of them seem to be considering what I had no idea how to translate, but I quickly found an interesting Wiki article on it:
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(I'm saying this in connection with my point #1).
This would be "the new dimension" of the conflict, wouldn't it?
 

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Loud blasts, heavy gunfire heard in Slavyansk – RT stringer
Published time: May 18, 2014 01:05
Edited time: May 18, 2014 05:11


Loud blasts and repeated heavy gunfire have been heard in the Ukrainian city of Slavyansk, according to freelance journalist Graham Phillips, who is reporting for RT.

Full-scale military operations are happening in Slavyansk and Kramatorsk, located in the north of Donetsk region, a self-proclaimed leader of the Donetsk People's Republic, Miroslav Rudenko, told RIA Novosti. He added that fighting escalated early on Sunday morning as Ukrainian troops tried to dismantle self-defense forces' posts. Information about the number of injures is not available.

The press secretary of the "people's mayor" of Slavyansk confirmed that fighting lasted all day on Saturday.

Graham said that the Ukrainian military has been active all around the outskirts of Slavyansk.

“There had been repeated blasts and we have reports that the Ukrainian military is on all sides of the city,” Phillips said.

“We have heavy fighting to the east of the city. I went there several hours ago and we had gunfire breaking out by eight o’clock. We had reports of the Ukrainian military moving in at that side. We got reports that they are moving in from the south, north and also action at the airfield at Kramatorsk – there is a conflict between the Ukrainian army and pro-Donetsk forces there,” he stated.

Phillips described hearing “loud blasts, explosions...reverberations of gunfire ricocheting around the city.”

“The gunfire is a fabric of daily life now in Slavyank, but this is the heaviest fighting I’ve heard in Slavyansk since I got here over a month ago,” he added.

He noted that Ukraine seems to have doubled their forces in the area and “what we see now seems to be the sharpest and strongest action yet on their part to try to retake the city, which has been in the hands of these pro-Donetsk activists since April 12.”

The Ukrainian coup-appointed Minister of Interior Arsen Avakov has posted a statement on Facebook, saying that they “don’t have any casualties, but one of the attackers of the National Guard camp near Slavyansk was killed, and another one wounded. He was detained and investigators are working with him now.”

Avakov added that he “calls the camp every morning, if no news comes overnight” and “everyone is now used to the war.”

The reports of heavy fighting come after an ultimatum was given to the Kiev military by Donetsk self-defense forces, warning that if troops did not withdraw from block posts in the Donetsk region within 24 hours, they would be taken by force. The statement was made on Thursday by Sergey Zdrilyuk, deputy commander of the pro-autonomy militia in Donbass.

Following the ultimatum, new authorities in post-coup Kiev have listed the self-proclaimed republics of Donetsk and Lugansk as terrorist organizations and launched criminal cases to investigate their formation.

The two eastern regions proclaimed themselves sovereign states after holding controversial referendums on May 11.

The trend on the BBC site is different, see
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Mr T

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I think if a new force; tens of thousands strong, had really appeared and was changing the political face of areas of the Donbass, that it would have been major news and a top item of the televised bulletins.

I disagree. The TV stations are getting bored of the Ukrainian story, and because they don't have someone telling them to report on Ukraine (unlike Russia Today) they're not reporting that much about it.

I also wonder where these tens of thousands of pro Kiev Steel workers were last weekend during the weekend referendum?

What, you expected ordinary citizens to turn on ordinary citizens voting?
 
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ahhhh.... What happens When you abandon a BMP in the middle of the street deep in the heart of a Pro Russian metropolis? Let's Find out!
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No one was killed that we know of in the making of this Cluster _____... but It sure as ____ woke the neighbors

This is why you don't leave fully loaded BMPs or any other weapon system in the hands of untrained civilians let alone in the middle of a busy street. Someone is definitely going to get hurt. It's pretty devastating what a single round of a 25 or 30 mm did to that concrete there. Glad it didn't actually hit a person because only pools of splattered blood will be left!
 

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This is why you don't leave fully loaded BMPs or any other weapon system in the hands of untrained civilians let alone in the middle of a busy street. Someone is definitely going to get hurt. It's pretty devastating what a single round of a 25 or 30 mm did to that concrete there. Glad it didn't actually hit a person because only pools of splattered blood will be left!

I agreed, if the soldiers don't want to carry the ammo with them out of safety reasons at least take out the firing pins away from ALL the guns.
 

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In Taking Crimea, Putin Gains a Sea of Fuel Reserves
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The Russians could let this part run on low gear for the short term, as even just owning that part of the Black Sea is enough to put Kiev in further disadvantage, besides what direction Kiev will go will be known soon in the upcoming election at the end of this month.

In terms of hardware and funding, Moscow can always knock Beijing's door even when Western's sources are denied to them.
 

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I am going to stick my neck out and say that I see a deal coming and fairly soon.

I have suspected the quiet of last week, masked a lot of closed doors activity as the great powers sort out the mess that is Ukraine.

Today suddenly there is a flurry of announcements and it seems to fit a pattern.

My guess is that last week Putin sent a message to his opponents, that he now has two Independent Republics and a request to join the Russian Federation in his hand. The west could therefore negotiate with him now or he could pocket what he was holding and come back when he had similar offers from other Regions.

Most media is reporting today that Putin has ordered the Russian Army back to their permanent bases and Itar Tass report that Kiev has agreed now to negotiate with the break away republics.

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There are also reports of other public talks now being planned between Russia and the West.

Reading other news today from the breakaway republics, it also seems likely that as matters progress and they acquire or otherwise set up, the physical and administrative trappings of statehood, that getting them tor return to previous condition of region will become progressively more difficult. This is therefore another ticking time bomb which Kiev will have no move quickly with regards if it wished to "disarm" it.
 

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Vladimir Putin order troops back from Ukraine border

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Telegraph - Russian President Vladimir Putin has ordered troops deployed in regions near Ukraine to return to their home bases, the Kremlin has said.

The move appears to indicate Putin's intention to de-escalate the crisis over Ukraine, the worst in Russia's relations with the West since the end of the Cold War.

The West has protested the deployment of 40,000 Russian troops near the border with Ukraine, seeing it as a possible preparation for grabbing more land after the annexation of Crimea in March.
Putin has previously said he has ordered troops to return from the area near the Ukraine border, but the United States and NATO have said they see no sign of a pullout and have threatened more sanctions if Russia tries to derail Ukraine's presidential vote set for Sunday.

The Russian Defense Ministry insisted that there were no buildup near the border, saying that the troops in the regions in western Russia are involved in regular training.

Putin went one step further Monday, ordering Defense Minister Sergei Shoigu to pull out forces involved in such training in the Rostov, Belgorod and Bryansk regions, according to a statement released by the Kremlin.

Putin also voiced support for round tables in Ukraine, which were held last week under a peace plan brokered by Switzerland, which currently chairs the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe.

He urged the Ukrainian authorities to immediately end a military operation in eastern Ukraine. The Ukrainian army and police have sought to put down a pro-Russian rebellion in the east.
 

Mr T

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Most media is reporting today that Putin has ordered the Russian Army back to their permanent bases and Itar Tass report that Kiev has agreed now to negotiate with the break away republics.

Sounds like Putin blinked first. Even a matter of weeks ago he was pounding on the table, saying he would send in the troops if this and if that. Now he's trying to back-peddle away from the idea of intervening. If he sends the troops back again he would just seem like an indecisive idiot.

Presumably he's looking for some face-saving deal where there's a degree of devolution, so he can say he "won" concessions for eastern Ukraine. But at the moment Kiev seems to be resisting the idea of federalism, and with the election this close I don't think they're going to try to ram through something as big as that.
 
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