2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

So the same lot who burned police alive by the dozen in Kiev now burn more people alive by the dozen in Odessa. Seems they certainly are consistent.

And I wonder if you would be so glib about such human suffering if it was your own people burning, bleeding and dying on camera.

Air Force Brat said:

Those NATO forces will not be push-overs, that much Airpower will make Putin stop and think, as well he should, and any aggression by Russia in response to those aircraft will bring a response, of that you should have no doubt. In fact now that US aircraft are mixed into the NATO force, Obama will not have to act alone, which he is loath to do, but he is a street organizer, and he's not nearly so concerned once he is surrounded by a "coalition", that will likely not be apparent to the bad guys, until they mess up.

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All the chess peices are being arranged on the board...and the board is eastern Europe, and the pieces are all of this military harware.

I pray that it will be enough on both sides to deter any major conflict...becuase that will end up being very bad for everyone involved.

But with US, UK, Canadian, French and Poland forces arerayed together there...it is a very potent force to be concerned about.

As I stated, the combined fighting power of NATO, in terms of both aircraft, personnel, and armor, is several times that of Russia. The total combatant air forces of NATO numbers close to 6,000 aircraft, while Russia's current active combatant aircraft numbers close to 1,500. An air bridge into eastern Europe from all of NATO could be easily built to funnel that power there. And clearly Russia could fuinnel its aircraft there too.

Since that should be obvious to all, and since NATO has now actually funneled a decent force into Poland, I pray it is not necessary to go any further and that such eventualities are never tested. The whole idea...on btoih sides...is to let those very capable forces deter one another.

Let us all pray that they do.

plawolf said:

And I wonder if you would be so glib about such human suffering if it was your own people burning, bleeding and dying on camera.

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I agree 100% with your last statement there, wolf. No one should be in the least bit glib at all regardng such suffering...no matter who it is.

Though I might add, that in Kiev, the protestors involved in such events were also being cut down by the score.

Let us all hope that it ends...on both sides...in Ukraine very soon.

plawolf said:

And I wonder if you would be so glib about such human suffering if it was your own people burning, bleeding and dying on camera.

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I'm closer to them than you ever had been in your life...

Those people just hate Russians who would come there to interfer with their own issues. The same things you would witness everywhere in the biggest countries of Central Europe - Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland or Hungary. GRU sent people trying to get over any public building there would meet the same fate.

and lol - don't feel bad for them being beaten. Someone sent them there. I wonder how many of them were Ukrainians... I read somewhere that 15 of 28 were Russian citizens and 5 came from Transnistria. But that could be just random comment.

NATO may have some nice hardware in place, but its all for show, and the numbers deployed reflect that. If one was seriously considering military action, against Russia of all opponents, one does not deploy fighters in signal digit units.

For one, attacking Russian military forces directly is simply a none-starter as to start down that road would near species suicide as the chances it escalating into all out nuclear war is far too great.

Secondly, Russia is not Yugoslavia or Iraq, the Russian bear has claws and teeth and can not only defend itself pretty well, it will strike back savagely if attacked.

Using those neighbouring NATO countries to launch attacks against Russian forces is to guarantee those bases will be targeted in turn, and if the Russians can't take out those aircraft and bases via its own air power and missile strikes, it could revert back to its Cold War go to option and launch ground offensives.

Once again that is a recipe for spiralling escalations that could lead to the human race loosing.

Rutim said:

I'm closer to them than you ever had been in your life...

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Yet I have far greater empathy and compassion towards them than what you have ever demonstrated.

Isn't that telling?

Just cut it out.

Rutim said:

I'm closer to them than you ever had been in your life...

Those people just hate Russians who would come there to interfer with their own issues. The same things you would witness everywhere in the biggest countries of Central Europe - Czech Republic, Slovakia, Poland or Hungary. GRU sent people trying to get over any public building there would meet the same fate.

and lol - don't feel bad for them being beaten. Someone sent them there. I wonder how many of them were Ukrainians... I read somewhere that 15 of 28 were Russian citizens and 5 came from Transnistria. But that could be just random comment.

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It is being widely reported that most of the Russians were locals but that the Pro Maidan mob were in large part Football Ultras from Kharkov and Right Sector militants sent from Kiev. Little surprise as the Coup appointed administration specifically identified Odessa as a strategic city where Pro federalist support needed to be stopped from spreading.

I note that the Pro Russian faction have successfully taken control of scores of official buildings in over a dozen cities during the last few weeks without a single fatality. Your far right chums however have taken the death tally to a whole new level in the space of one afternoon. Still if this sort of mass murder is what you are happy to associate yourself with and think worthy of a lol.......

SampanViking said:

It is being widely reported that most of the Russians were locals but that the Pro Maidan mob were in large part Football Ultras from Kharkov and Right Sector militants sent from Kiev. Little surprise as the Coup appointed administration specifically identified Odessa as a strategic city where Pro federalist support needed to be stopped from spreading.

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Sources? RT? Kharkiv people sent from Kharkiv via Kiev to Odessa... Kharkiv is closer to Slavyansk than Kiev (or any other 'pro-Russian' city) to Odessa (let alone Kharkiv...). And you belive in such stories?

I advice you to study maps before posting.

Jeff Head said:

Though I might add, that in Kiev, the protestors involved in such events were also being cut down by the score.

Let us all hope that it ends...on both sides...in Ukraine very soon.

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Well, firstly there is compelling evidence that much, if not most of those protesters who where gunned down in Kiev were shot by the same rifles and snipers as who also killed large numbers of police. And the only ones with any reason or motive to do that are some of the same people in power now in Kiev, and who sent those same mobs into Eastern Ukraine today.

Secondly, when you throw Molotov cocktails at riot police and turn them into human torches or drive a truck deliberately into a police line intending to kill and maim, a bullet in the head is exactly what you can expect and deserve as far as I am concerned no matter what country you live in.

There is a clear line between peaceful protest and murder or its attempt, and if you are stupid enough to make a police marksman choose between ending your life or letting one or many of his comrades be killed or seriously injured, you have no one but yourself to blame when that police marksman put a bullet where your brain should have been.

100% with you on your second point though.