2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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Wow..$17 Billion? Ukraine gets a lot of money from both side, with this much attention (media wise), so how come the same can't be said about Syria? Isn't Syria is just as geopolitical important or had they already given up on fighting against Asad's forces? Sorry, I didn't want this to turn this into a Syria subject matter.

Ukraine is much much much higher stakes than Syria as it is right on the doorstep of Russia, is a key cog in Russia's economic machine, and is also an important arms and economic partner to China. Any progress made there by the US and its allies can severely weaken Russia for the long haul and reduce China's options, in fact this has already happened.

Syria is a key transit hub for Iran and Hezbollah but Saudi and Israeli power both already balance out Iran, economically and militarily on their own, and diplomatically with the US and the Western block. Actually if Syria falls Saudi power might be a little much, if in combination with Israel they truly put down Iran, the two will then be able to consolidate power reducing the influence of all outside powers (the US and the West included) in the region. Given how both of these countries have extremist tendencies, one is nuclear armed, and one is the source of most of the 911 plotters, it does not bode well for the world for them to be able to consolidate power in their immediate vicinity (once again the US and the West included even if they are allies right now). About the only thing Iran is good for is to distract these two, however these two are too savvy to distract each other. Once the US becomes energy independent, not to mention an energy exporter, both Saudi Arabia and Israel will decrease significantly in strategic value. Long story short, Syria was a target of opportunity and now a vanity project for the big powers albeit being an important one for Iran, Israel, and Saudi Arabia, and it is not necessarily in any of the big powers' best interest for Iranian power to be defeated here.
 

delft

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Closing the Sea of Okhotsk is an interesting move. The straightforward reason may be it is one of the few ways Russia can retaliate against Japanese sanctions, I don't know how much commercial activity each country conducts there. An indirect strategic reason may be Russia is not happy with how neutral China has been, by turning up the pressure on Japan it indirectly turns up the pressure on China.
The major decision was by the UN to accept the Russian position. Russia might have delayed its decision but why should it when it can show Japan that it has to pay a price for slavishly following US directions. Japan can still win access to the Sea of Okhotsk by acting in its own interest.
 

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Kiev has lost control of eastern heartland, says Ukraine's acting leader

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Ukraine's government has lost control of two regions in the country's east after police and security service units defected to pro-Russian rebels, the acting president admitted on Wednesday.
Oleksandr Turchynov spoke hours after gunmen seized more police stations and administrative buildings in Donetsk and Luhansk regions, the country's industrial heartland and now the centre of a pro-Russian insurgency.
"I will be frank: today, security forces are unable to quickly take the situation in the Donetsk and Luhansk regions under control," said Mr Turchynov at a meeting with regional governors in Kiev.
He described the Ukrainian security services as "helpless" and "unable to carry out their duties of protecting citizens". Mr Turchynov added: "Moreover, some of those units are either helping or cooperating with terrorist organisations."
Earlier, pro-Russian gunmen had seized the town hall and a police station in Horlivka, a town of 258,000 people in Donetsk region. The men, who wore the green camouflage uniforms of the self-styled "People's Militia", were already in the town hall when staff arrived for work at 9am. By the afternoon, they could be seen building a barricade of sandbags outside the building.

The takeover followed the seizure of the regional administration building, prosecutors' office and police headquarters in Luhansk, the capital of the neighbouring "oblast" or region. Together, the regions of Donetsk and Luhansk account for 15 per cent of Ukraine's entire population and 9 per cent of the country's surface area. They also hold the nation's biggest industries and almost 80 per cent of its coal reserves. Donetsk alone is the most populous region in Ukraine with 10 per cent of the country's people. Dozens of police stations and local government buildings across these areas have been seized since early April.
While daily life continues mostly as normal around the occupied buildings, the failure of police to resist the takeovers has left several towns - including Slavyansk, Kramatorsk, and Horlivka - effectively in the hands of pro-Russian rebels.
As well as admitting the loss of Donetsk and Luhansk, Mr Turchynov said that neighbouring regions, notably Kharkiv and Odessa, were now threatened in the same way. "Mercenaries and special units that are active on Ukrainian territory have been tasked with attacking those regions. That is why I am stressing: our task is to stop the spread of the terrorist threat first of all in the Kharkiv and Odessa regions," he said, according to Interfax news agency.
Kharkiv, the second largest city in Ukraine, has seen clashes between pro-Russian and pro-Ukrainian protesters, but the separatists have so far failed to establish a foothold there.
Tensions have risen in the industrial and university city since Gennady Kernes, the mayor of Kharkiv, was shot and nearly killed on Monday.
Mr Kernes is recovering from surgery in Israel, raising fears that insurgents may take advantage of his absence to seize control of the city.
Rebels loyal to the self-proclaimed "People's Republic of Donetsk" say they want a referendum on whether the region remains within Ukraine, declares independence, or joins Russia.
A date has been set for the poll on May 11, although whether the activists have the ability to organise the contest across the whole region is unclear. While the pro-Russian movement's leaders claim broad support, opinion polls suggests a more confused picture. Donetsk is overwhelmingly Russian-speaking, but 57 per cent of the region's people identify themselves as ethnic Ukrainians, according to the 2001 census, while 38 per cent consider themselves Russian.
A recent survey by the Kiev-based International Institute of Sociology found that 28 per cent of respondents in Donetsk supported joining Russia, while 52 per cent favoured staying in Ukraine.
 

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If your professional forces are resentful and reluctant, refuse to follows your orders and seem happy to defect with their equipment to the enemy, how best to deal with the problem?
If your name is Olexander Turchynov, it seems the reinstating conscription is the answer.

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It does beg the question that when the men that want to be in the army, do not want to be in your army, what sort of improvement adding a lot of young men who do want to be part of any army, will make to the situation?

The only logic I can think of, is that if these young guys are locked up in military camps, they can't join the rebels or extremists on either side. The problem of course is that you need to get them to the camps in the first place and those that do not wish to go will simply head to areas where draft will not be enforced.
As for the rest that don't like you, you will not be able to keep them in camp forever and when they come out, they will be trained and armed!

Nothing about this sounds like it has the ingredients for a happy ending!
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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I'm not getting a connection between
Obama
make Ukraine
Lebanon

In the 1970-1980's until 1990 the nation of Lebanon became a civil war. With Christian Militias Units of the IDF, The Palestinian Authority, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Syria, the Lebanese National Resistance Front, the Amal Movement, The Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution, the Islamic Unification Movement the UN, France and the US all in the Mix. it was a disaster that turned Lebanon form a stable nation that was comparable to say Dubai today. Into a failed state. It has taken decades to try and turn Lebanon back into a stable state. I think that's the comparison A-Man is trying to make.
but it's not apt really and it places all the Fault on Obama, the Issues that are at the Heart of this are Not centered in Washington or Moscow or even Kiev. It's at the local level. The players in Europe and Russia and the US are only acting to enablers for issues that run to the very street levels of the Ukraine.
First remember how the Ukraine was built. it started with a small nation that was grown by amputating parts of other nations to build the current state.
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In the 1970-1980's until 1990 the nation of Lebanon became a civil war. With Christian Militias Units of the IDF, The Palestinian Authority, Islamic Jihad, Hezbollah, Syria, the Lebanese National Resistance Front, the Amal Movement, The Army of the Guardians of the Islamic Revolution, the Islamic Unification Movement the UN, France and the US all in the Mix.

Let me specifically add the USN New Jersey (BB-62) :)

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TE, where did you get that map please?
 
I woke up half of hour ago and there's some interesting development in Slavyansk: It seems Ukrainian forces are attacking "for real this time", but Ukrainian media are not informing about it (?) -- I'm comparing this development to what I've heard lately: http://www.sinodefenceforum.com/mem...s-views-photos-videos-80-6796.html#post279767 However, Czech, Polish servers inform about an attack, and Russian servers give more details (there aren't many, though) ... oh, something just came out of Reuters:
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I need to leave for work anyway :)
 
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