2014 Ukrainian Maidan Revolt: News, Views, Photos & Videos

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Kurt

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The longterm implications of the Ukrainian situation are frightening.
In Russia, there's popular support for a route that is in conflict with the EU route.
This allows all the old resentiments against Russians in the EU population to surface again,
under less disguise. "Putin-understander" was just one of the terms for creating an unbridgeable gap.
No matter what current solution will be achieved, one of the two sides will disagree
and longterm we have the prospect of a conflict between Eurasian and European Union,
with the European Union supported by the US and her allies.
That brings as as close to a shooting war between nuclear armed major powers in Europe as possible.
Europe is still the most heavily armed region of the world after North America (dominated by the US)
and before East Asia (dominated by China). Most Europeans have no clue how that could happen, because
there was no media coverage on the built up of this situation over all the years since the Orange Revolution.
Both sides, the European, as well as the Eurasian, feel they are the only ones right in this conflict.
Fortunately, there's some restraint on overtly using armed forces for now.
Unfortunately, the OSCE is not respected as a neutral institution that is the only hope for a common solution.
Seems like the days of limited violence in Europe are counted.
 
TerraN_EmpirE

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So a lot of those mysterious green soldiers are prove to be Russians after all.
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Follow up.
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Simon Ostrovsky talks about his internment.
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I know sanctions are being broadcast as the big news of the day, but I can't see them as worth more than a cursory mention as events on the ground have been far more interesting.

It started yesterday in Kharkov when a Pro Federalist/Separatist rally was ambushed by football hooligans.
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It was followed up today by the assassination attempt on Mayor of Kharkov
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On the ground, all the evidence for the Anti-Terrorist operation having fully stalled has been illustrated by Pro-Russian gunmen taking more buildings in a new city, this time the strategically placed Konstantinovka, which lies on the Donetsk - Kramatorsk road. They also yesterday took the Donetsk Television Studio and have restarted the broadcast of Russian channels.
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In Donetsk today there has been serious clashes between Pro-Federalist and Pro-Unity protesters
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You can of course follow much of the same stories in the one BBC story today
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There was today however, one Pro-Unity march in Lviv that did not get any attention in the BBC or any other major western network as far as I can see. It has however been verified by other media and the record shows that it is an annual event.
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I checked Wiki and it is exactly what it says on the tin.
 
Equation

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SampanViking said:
I know sanctions are being broadcast as the big news of the day, but I can't see them as worth more than a cursory mention as events on the ground have been far more interesting.
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Wait until inflation spikes and unemployment rises as the Ruble tumbles in value. Than Putin will start feeling the pressure from the people back home.
 
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Wait until inflation spikes and unemployment rises as the Ruble tumbles in value. Than Putin will start feeling the pressure from the people back home.
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Wait until Putin decides to price Russian oil, gas and other natural resources in Rubles/Yuan/Gold. Then US dollar won't be the world reserve currency for long and no more inflation exportation. Sanctions beget more counter sanctions. It's a death spiral unless both sides agree to cool off.
 
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Ambassador Bhadrakumar on the purpose of the US actions wrt Ukraine:
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Obama aims at regime change in Russia

The United States has announced a further set of sanctions against Russia. The White House statement justified the sanctions in terms of Russia’s “illegal intervention” and “provocative actions” in Ukraine and Moscow’s alleged refusal to follow through on the Geneva deal on de-escalation.

These are, again, “smart sanctions” targeted at what the White House calls “Mr. Putin’s inner circle” and entities directly connected with the Kremlin elites. The stunning thing is the inclusion of Igor Sechin, a powerful personality, indeed, whom many regard as Putin’s alter-ego — which presages that Obama is preparing to take the fight to the lion’s den.
Things are getting “personal”, indeed. Although Obama maintained, “The goal is not to go after Mr. Putin personally”, the goal increasingly seems to be precisely what he denied.
The US seems to have figured out meticulously the dark secrets of the Russian elites — where they keep their illegal wealth in the western world and so on.
Armed with that wealth of information, the US seems to be aiming to create dissensions within the Russian elites and crack up the calculus of power in Moscow — a veritable “regime change”. Capitulate or regime change — that’s the choice the US is offering Moscow.
It’s a high-risk project. Of course, the system that Putin created is not a pushover. But, the US is undoubtedly in a punishing mood. What accounts for it? Can’t be Syria. Can’t be Iran, Iraq or Afghanistan. Can’t be the Arctic, can’t be BRICS.
Yes, it has to be the unprecedented humiliation and damage caused to the US’ global standing and foreign and security policies by the Edward Snowden affair, which Washington believes was masterminded from the Kremlin. It’s payback time for the CIA.
Clearly, the Ukraine game is no longer being played by politicians and diplomats. Smiley’s people are on the prowl. The fact that the CIA director John Brennan visited Kiev a week ago underscores that the game is deadly serious.
According to Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov, the CIA station in Kiev is now occupying an entire floor of the Ukrainian intelligence agency’s headquarters and is controlling the flow of events from the very nerve centre.

Posted in Diplomacy, Politics.
Tagged with Edward Snowden, Igor Sechin, New Cold War, Ukraine crisis, Vladimir Putin.

By M K Bhadrakumar – April 28, 2014
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SampanViking said:
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There was today however, one Pro-Unity march in Lviv that did not get any attention in the BBC or any other major western network as far as I can see. It has however been verified by other media and the record shows that it is an annual event.
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I checked Wiki and it is exactly what it says on the tin.
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I'm surprised this was brought up by the Moderator :)
as far as I know, not mentioned by mainstream Central European servers either ... but the information can be found "a posteriori" :) like, for example, here (in Polish):
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Jura said:
I'm surprised this was brought up by the Moderator :)
as far as I know, not mentioned by mainstream Central European servers either ... but the information can be found "a posteriori" :) like, for example, here (in Polish):
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You do raise a serious point re moderation, so I am happy to give a clarification.
The policy re using certain terms in well established and enforce. However in this instance we have a story that was current and likely to be picked up in some form and so better it comes from a Moderator than not.
Further, whereas usually the use of the offending term is subjective, in this instance there was absolutely nothing ambiguous about what was being celebrated in the march.
Before including the item, I did research it and I am satisfied that there is no mistake about the marchers intent.
The relevance of the inclusion is two fold
1) To highlight the hypocrisy of the EU and media by its ignoring of this event, while mentioning other marches on the same day.
2) To highlight the inherent contradiction of the march and the marchers, namely by being supporters of the Maidan revolt and pro the EU - an entity where within any of its member states (as far as I am aware), such a march would be a criminal offence.

They do say that it is the exceptions that prove the rule and this was a notable exception.
 
Miragedriver

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Wait until inflation spikes and unemployment rises as the Ruble tumbles in value. Than Putin will start feeling the pressure from the people back home.
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texx1 said:
Wait until Putin decides to price Russian oil, gas and other natural resources in Rubles/Yuan/Gold. Then US dollar won't be the world reserve currency for long and no more inflation exportation. Sanctions beget more counter sanctions. It's a death spiral unless both sides agree to cool off.
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What scares me is that Russia is not fearful or even concerned by any of the sanctions levied. Which is beginning to seem as if Russia has an undisclosed means, resources and finances to bring crippling blow to the USA.

Maybe Russia is preparing the announcement of an energy deal with China, a move which would send geopolitical shockwaves around the world and bind the two nations in a commodity-backed axis.
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Additionally: Brazil, Russia, India, China and South Africa - the BRICS group of fastest growing economies - Thursday signed an agreement to use their own currencies instead of the predominant US dollar in issuing credit or grants to each other.
 
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