2012 US Presidential Election discussion.

TerraN_EmpirE

Tyrant King
that have been pre-screened and pre-selected by the capitalist elite
or, so we're told!
Although most of the recent candidates tend too be better off take a good long look at there backgrounds and there parents backgrounds. the Romney Family is well off today but take a look at Mitt's pops bio.
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Look If you want too be Jaded Fine, I have no issue but at the same time be jaded Equally We live in a world where the political campaigns need money too get heard about and not just in the US, Do you think there are not Chosen and Privileged in the Chinese Government?
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or How about the Recent Georgian Election.
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Subedei

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Look If you want too be Jaded Fine, I have no issue but at the same time be jaded Equally We live in a world where the political campaigns need money too get heard about and not just in the US, Do you think there are not Chosen and Privileged in the Chinese Government?


never addressed that issue! was under the impression that:


This thread will be about the 2012 US Presidential and general election of 2012.

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Jeff Head

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so, you're stating, unequivocally, that, you know, factually, that romney's business, his olympics administration, and his gubernatorial administration, were gender egalitarian environments, and that, in those environments, women were paid equal to men?

okay! i'd simply suggest, that, if you want other, critical thinkers to accept that belief, you might seek to substantiate it with evidence, and not with the lack of evidence.
LOL! You're kidding, right?

Here's some critical thinking for you.

The best evidence is that the Chicago Machine for Obama has spent pover $600 million dollars to try and make Romney look negative, including towards women with the whole war on women false narrative. (Which is backfiring badly on them because most women are more interested in a decent job than in a $10-15 dollar a month birth control stipend...and Obama's numbers as regards woman's unemployment are worse than for men). Anyhow, that is their mantra...the chief agenda and central point of their plan for re-election.

Nothing regarding specifics regarding this issue have been found regarding Romney. Nothing. The only thing we have is last week's play on words by Obama regarding that if Romney says he is for equal pay for equal work, and will not sign the Democratic bill regarding the same, then he must have "Romnesia."

That's all they have come up with on that issue...and you saw how I responded to it.

We have specific allegations by members of Obama's own White House staff, and we have actual reports showing the disparity of 18% in the White House staff itself. He has his own probklems in this areana and trying to find something on Romney is only going to draw attention to it.

So, I have nothing to prove. The burden is on the Democrats to do so. That's the critical part of the thinking that has to go on in an election. And their efforts to date have not only been woefully short, as I said, they have their own problems with the issue he claims as a strong point.

Now, I do not discount something coming up just before the election, when it will be impossible for Romney to counter it...but I do not believe people will buy that. Just too coincidental should it occur.

But to date, the Chicago machine has spent a lot of money to show us that Romney carried a Dog on the top of his car 30 years ago (when his own words in his book indicate that he ate dogs), that he had a tussle with a young man in high school almost 650 years ago, and then the false claims that he was responsible for a woman's death where he stopped working for the companby seven years before it occurred and where the company itself had divested itself of the company that failed 3-5 years before...and where the woman had her own insurance anywway. in addition you have the supposed tax cheat claim, which Romney has proved wrong after he allowed the DNC enough rope to hang itself on that issue before releasing his own info. Prettuy smart move on his part in my mind.

But that's all they have got. That's why with the two debates and the speech at the Catholic charity dinner, when Romney showed up before a national audience in the tens of millions each time, and came across as thoughtful, normal, compassionate, caring leader with a plan, their whole campaign tanked and this huge turnaround in the polls has occurred and been maintained.

A couple of more weeks and we'll know. But I can hardly see how telling me to prove that Romney has never discriminated against women will help the DNC cause. So there is not critical thinking involved in that...just more straw men. Their own efforts to find something and spending hundreds of millions on the effort, and not having found it, makes the claim for me.
 

jackliu

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Although most of the recent candidates tend too be better off take a good long look at there backgrounds and there parents backgrounds. the Romney Family is well off today but take a look at Mitt's pops bio.
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Look If you want too be Jaded Fine, I have no issue but at the same time be jaded Equally We live in a world where the political campaigns need money too get heard about and not just in the US, Do you think there are not Chosen and Privileged in the Chinese Government?
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or How about the Recent Georgian Election.
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Biggest difference, you and I have no illusion what China is, however for some reason, you think the Western government is somehow pure, democratic, where every citizen is informed by the free media who will never exaggerate or lie. Where politicians have no hidden agenda, where anyone can became president....

Face it, both Democrats and Republican party have a duopoly on politics, and both of their largest bakers are the US financial elites, in a time where it requires more than a billion dollar to became president, 10+ million dollar to became an Senator, 2+ million dollar to became congressman, no one will never ever stand a chance unless they have the corporate donations. candidates they may different on abortion, immigration, gun control, regions etc... but in the end, their position on deregulation and corporate interest are striking identical, and do you really think they will sponsor anyone that can be a danger to the system? Which by no accident benefits them tremendously.

I'm just waiting to see how long it will take for the people to became jaded, to realize what the system truly is. When that happens 2 thing will happen.
1, There will be a revolution by people to break the duopoly's holding on politics.
2, politics will became very similar to Philippines, Indonesia, India. Where politician still campaign for office, people still vote for them, but they know no matter who get elected, NOTHING will change and everyone accepted it.

I am trending to #2, because you have no idea just how uninformed the American people is, how media have have a hold on their mind, an uneducated public is no danger to the system.
 

Subedei

Banned Idiot
wow, all that to not answer a question?

i asked you a direct question about the evidentiary bases of your belief. you claim that there is no evidence and that is your evidence. no, you don't have to prove that your beliefs are based in true knowledge. consequently, you shouldn't expect anyone else to agree to the legitimacy of your belief.

you, most certainly, are the one who is not serious, simply convinced!

once again, i am NOT trying to make any dnc case. i think anyone, but you, can see that. my primary economic argument regards the historically demonstrated the dangers of general de-regulation. if you consider that to be a dnc position, that's your interpretation. but, i'd think that work-place safety, among other issues, is a "bi-partisan" issue. and, actually, professional and academic economists tend to separate their understandings of economic theory and policy from political theory and policy. the two interact, but are not the same.

and, once again, you argue against obama, the dnc, the boogey man, (talk about straw men), which i have never argued for.

we get it, this is an issue of faith with you. and as we all know that faith can't be argued, i'll leave this subject alone with you.
 
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Jeff Head

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we get it, this is an issue of faith with you. and as we all know that faith can't be argued, i'll leave this subject alone with you.
No, you don't get it. That's the point.

The Democrats have the burden of proof on such issues. They have to convince the public of Romney's inability to serve. They have not done so.

Many women have come foreard in support of Romney on these gender equity in the work place issues. Read the transcripts of the GOP convention...but to date, not one has come forward stating that he was anything but fair as regards gender equity in the work place regading pay or positions.

You can do the homework to look that up. I listened to the entire thing...to both concventions.

So, it is not a "faith" thing that cannot be argued. I will just not be drawn into senseless debate about issues that have no merit or one shred of evidence to support them. That's your burden, not mine, if you want to make the statement that Romney has gender equity problems in the work place.

As I said, in a couple of weeks, the only poll that matters will be taken. I am content at this point to let it happen. The facts are on the table on both sides and the people are going to decide.
 

Subedei

Banned Idiot
I am trending to #2, because you have no idea just how uninformed the American people is, how media have have a hold on their mind, an uneducated public is no danger to the system.

Here, here!!!

And, a mystified populace is, in fact, an asset to the system! Once their capacities for critical analysis has been reduced to moral absolute dichotomies: Republican/good: Democrat/bad, Liberal/good: Conservative/bad, etc, all evolution ceases, and the status quo is maintianed.

My own prediction is that the United States will evolve into what France was leading up to the revolution. The system here won't change until the working class has no bread and the elite suggest that they just eat cake.
 
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Subedei

Banned Idiot
That's your burden, not mine, if you want to make the statement that Romney has gender equity problems in the work place.

that's just it, Jeff, i never stated that. i have no evidence on which to base that accusation! please show the quote in which i stated that romney's business, olympic administration, or gubernatorial administration had gender equality issues. i asked a question and suggested that a full investigation may not have been conducted. didn't say, or suggest, that if one was, that it would find evidence of inequality, just that it may not have been conducted. you have me confused with your democratic boogey man! i merely inquired about evidence, either way. and, from you, since you stated a belief, i asked you for the supporting evidence.

yes, this is an issue of faith with you. and, as i've said, i'm done with it.

i understand that you will have to have the last word, so, so be it.

you are right! you win!
 
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Jeff Head

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you have me confused with your democratic boogey man! i merely inquired about evidence, either way. and, from you, since you stated a belief, i asked you for the supporting evidence!
No democratic boogey man here, Subedei, just a discussion of the issues. You asked me to provide evdence. I gave you my thoughts on that. You did not agree with it...apparently felt it did not answer what you define as evidence...and that is fine, but then you went a little futher and tried to indicate somehow my critical thinking skills were lacking, and that all I had was, "faith."

I stated that was not the case...and it remains so. If you want evidence that Romney does not have gender equity problems...as I said, read the GOP convention speeches where woman who worked with and for the man talked about his record. If that's not good enough for you...fine.

I am not interested in trying to prove something that the entire DNC machine has been looking for for months and been unable to do. I listened to those who spoke on his behalf, I have looked at his years at Bain Capitol, as him as the individual in charge of the Salt Lake Olymipcs, and as Governor of Mass and listened to those who worked for him. That's enough for me.

And...nothing regarding a last word here. I am more than happy to stop the discussion at any time, whether we agree or not and irrespective of who types a reply last. Let's just let folks decide for themselves. But, if accusations rearding my ability to "critically think," or that somehow I simply rely on "faith" alone somehow in these matters continue to be made, I will continue to refute them.

Fair enough?
 

Subedei

Banned Idiot
But, if accusations rearding my ability to "critically think," or that somehow I simply rely on "faith" alone somehow in these matters continue to be made, I will continue to refute them.

Fair enough?

Fair enough!

And if one persists in using arbitrary and dichotomous categories and value-laden code-words as his or her frames of reference, is it also fair to question the criticality of his or her analyses?
 
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