or is it as simple as, some one make a mistake or that his pulse rate was so low that the paramedic on spot thought that he is dead?
12 Dead , 31 wounded in Shooting at Ft Hood Texas
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or is it as simple as, some one make a mistake or that his pulse rate was so low that the paramedic on spot thought that he is dead?
Quickie
Colonel
A sad day for America indeed. My condolences to all those that's directly affected.
As with all the incident of similar nature, the question is always why was the tragedy not prevented? Problem is the way criminal law works. Law enforcement can only be carried out when the crime has already taken place. I think they ought to put more prevention element in criminal laws.
As with all the incident of similar nature, the question is always why was the tragedy not prevented? Problem is the way criminal law works. Law enforcement can only be carried out when the crime has already taken place. I think they ought to put more prevention element in criminal laws.
This might not be religious though. The major was trying to get out of the military and hired a lawyer to do so a day before the shooting. His out-spoken view on the war might just be a way for him to get out of the army and avoid deployment to the front line.
Maybe when he found out that despite all the effort, he is not getting out and going to the front line, he went kaboom!!.
This is pure speculation though.
Maybe when he found out that despite all the effort, he is not getting out and going to the front line, he went kaboom!!.
This is pure speculation though.
He survived and is on a ventilator now but in stable condition. A responding female security officer took him down but was also wounded.
BTW, tragically, a 13th individual died last night. So it currently stands at 13 dead and 30 wounded.
This was Jihad within the ranks, plain and simple. Very similar to Sgt. Akbar in 2003.
Hasan had been under investigation for his statements and internet postings which included suggesting that more Muslims should strap on bombs and take the fight to America after the Arkansas recruiter was killed in Little Rock earlier this year, and posting on the internet that islamic suicide bombers were like US soldiers who jump on a hand grenade to save other soldiers lives.
He was very outspoken against the war and was fighting his upcoming deployment to Afghanistan.
BTW, the lawyer he had hired was not the day before (as one poster here contended) and not to stop the deployment, that laywer was hired to help him get out of the military altogether if he paid his substantial student assistance back.
Of course he was being harassed by other officers and probably by some enlisted personnel (though they would not do it openly to his face because he, Hasan, himself was an officer...more like the word getting out about his attitude and the way he was treated and responded to, particularly off-duty). I do not blame soldiers for that, for responding with disdain to one who stands against them in their mission and takes up the cause and mantra of the enemy. I blame Hasan himself, and the system that kept him in the position he was after these feelings and beliefs came to light.
He should not have been working with any soldiers returning from the war zone or deplying to it. In fact, he should have been discharged from the military altogether IMHO.
vesicles
Colonel
Yes, I agree. I can't understand why they still kept him when he was already suspected of being sympathetic to the terrorists, especially when he wanted out.
My condolences to all of those soldiers and their families.
vesicles
Colonel
I don't see how a person who doesn't want to go can make any meaning contribution to the whole war effort. This is not a humongous world war where any available body counts. To me, if one doesn't want to go, it would be in the best interest of this one person and the country to let him go.
Mr T
Senior Member
I heard about this last night. Awful news, though hats off to Officer Kimberly Munley who stopped this guy. I hear that she'll be ok - I hope the other people wounded do so too.
But as adeptitus says, you can't have a functioning army if people get to drop out as soon as they have a problem with a conflict. You can resign when you have the opportunity, but you sign up for a tour of duty or other period. Otherwise you'd have people joining up for the college programmes and insurance benefits, then legging it as soon as trouble started brewing.
Plus it's not fair on those people who do stick around to fight. They might not agree 100% with everything that's going on, but they're willing to do their duty.
But as adeptitus says, you can't have a functioning army if people get to drop out as soon as they have a problem with a conflict. You can resign when you have the opportunity, but you sign up for a tour of duty or other period. Otherwise you'd have people joining up for the college programmes and insurance benefits, then legging it as soon as trouble started brewing.
Plus it's not fair on those people who do stick around to fight. They might not agree 100% with everything that's going on, but they're willing to do their duty.
pla101prc sez...
Exactly.
Exactly. The military is not day care for adults who can't "hack it" as we use to say. The man knew the job was dangerous when he took it. Did he think he'd spend his whole career in a Army hospital stateside? He knew full well what was going on when he joined up.
Any military will have those that do not agree with policies, war, deployments or like their job. In case some of you did not know unlike the civilian world you just cannot quit because you don't like it or disagree with some aspect of your job.. The best thing for those persons to do is keep their opinions to themselves. Bide their time. Then when it's time for them to be discharged they can go their merry way.
I have no clue how it could have been accomplished but he should have been weeded out sometime ago. I heard a colleague(retired US Army Colonel) of his speaking last night on Tv and he's not been supportive of the war efforts at any time. I'm sure this officer was not the only person he talked to. Reports should have been made and action taken.
Exactly.
Exactly. The military is not day care for adults who can't "hack it" as we use to say. The man knew the job was dangerous when he took it. Did he think he'd spend his whole career in a Army hospital stateside? He knew full well what was going on when he joined up.
Any military will have those that do not agree with policies, war, deployments or like their job. In case some of you did not know unlike the civilian world you just cannot quit because you don't like it or disagree with some aspect of your job.. The best thing for those persons to do is keep their opinions to themselves. Bide their time. Then when it's time for them to be discharged they can go their merry way.
I have no clue how it could have been accomplished but he should have been weeded out sometime ago. I heard a colleague(retired US Army Colonel) of his speaking last night on Tv and he's not been supportive of the war efforts at any time. I'm sure this officer was not the only person he talked to. Reports should have been made and action taken.