Not sure I can forecast a sub that hasn't started work. Even something like 093B, I'm only expecting early to middle LA class noise level.
09V/09VI (095/096) Nuclear Submarine Thread
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if work on type 095 has started. it means we are just 2 years away of submarine being launch .. am i right
Probably but I am expecting a long sea trial period for first of the class. I think 2027/2028 in service time frame works.
Related, under the same lyman2003 post.
Interesting, but the arrangements of submarines inside the two assembly halls are very uncomfortable.
Looks like the bottom left assembly hall should only be able to build a maximum of 4 submarines at once (instead of 8 as depicted), while the top right assembly hall should only be able to build a maximum of 6 submarines at once (instead of 12 as depicted).
That means maximum production of 10 SSNs+SSBNs in total, simultaneously (without adding any from the legacy assembly hall to the west).
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who is lyman? reliable source?
i think the timetable for the first of this new batch of subs would be a pretty good indicator on chinese ambitions against taiwan.
I made that image earlier this year.
The whole point of this display is to indicate the way in which the assembly halls have the footprint for that many SSN sized hulls at any one time, it doesn't necessarily mean that they will put in that many completed SSN hulls into all of the slots, but rather than a form of sequential production will occur.
I'm not sure why you think the arrangements of the submarines inside the two assembly halls are uncomfortable.
Is it the fact that I depict the halls with submarines arranged nose-to-tail in each corridor? Because clearly the whole point of such long building halls overall is to accommodate the equivalent of more than one SSN sized hull per corridor rather than one.
Or is it the fact that I depict the halls with submarines arranged next to each other?
The southernmost hall has more than enough lateral clearance space for SSNs with 12m diameter or even larger.
I can understand the concern for lateral clearance for the easternmost hall -- however even that hall deliberately has its SSN sized tracks arranged in a manner that only makes sense if they intend to build SSN sized subs alongside each other, and even for a 12m diameter hull SSN there is 4m of clearance between the wall and the hull, and 8m of total clearance between two adjacent SSNs, which is very normal for other submarine yards too.
I wrote a longform article on this years ago.
Pay close attention to the track gauges and the implications that has for SSN equivalent slots and larger SSBN sized slots.
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The later.
Never knew that those subs can arrange so close side-by-side. I thought that there must be large enough spaces on both sides of every sub in the assembly hall.
Very interesting.
Much thanks for the explanation and clarification!
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Do you think 095 and 096 definitely a single hull ? any confirmation or say from lyman ?
I don't think there is any confirmation. I'm just assuming they are single or hybrid. Regarding the 12m segment we saw, my submarine contact believes that it is for 096. He did say that it is in the "graving dock", so may be a trial production rather than a boat under construction. That is quite interesting, because I thought it would be a while before they would even try something like trial production for 096. If they have started 096 project at this point, then 095 should be further along and already in production for some time. Keep in mind that Ohio clas has beam of about 12.5 m for reactor hull IIRC. So 12m would be a reasonably wide hull for 096.
At this point, I've also been told that the best CNC machine that China has access to is still likely some years behind the best one available for America. The really high end CNCs are still off limit to Chinese companies. So it is likely that while China has made a lot of progress up until this point, they are still a good decade or two behind America in machineries (like they are in turbofan engine). But even with that, 095 will likely be wider than Virginia class, so the first 095 boat is likely to be around early Virginia class in noise level and then steadily improving as they work out the problems.
As for why they've waited until this long to mass produce 093B and then 095, I think the answer is quite simple. They've only figured out how to produce competitive CNC machines (that are mostly using domestic parts) in the past 4 or 5 years. You really can't start detailed designs of a new submarine class until you are able to produce steam turbine with very high precision manufacturing.
The 095 class and mass production of 095/093B is quite significant. It will final give China a matching modern nuclear submarine fleet to USN. At a time when USN is facing a retirement cliff of LA/Ohio class subs and having trouble ramping up Virginia class production due to not having enough welders. If Bohai shipbuilding can ramp up production to something like 6 to 8 a year, that will be very significant. Eventually, I think PLAN will have a much large nuclear submarine fleet than USN. Based on the size Huludao facilities, I think that might come sooner than what most of us expected.
Are those specialized machines for Submarine production ? To my knowledge all the "Regular" CNC high end brands for milling all sell to China, Makino,Heller,Kern,Hermle,DMG etc all sell to China.