09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

Hub

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I believe that frame belongs to the same 3x4 VLS section we've seen at the bottom boat (marked #2), no?

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Another evidence is the original sat photo of 093B. It is generally believed that the covered area is the VLS launch tube. Note its position and shape. Now that the second half of this area has been confirmed to be the VLS, the first half is likely to be the VLS as well.


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Iron Man

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Please I thought this forum was a bit more professional than using words like LOL and ROFLMAO. We are just speculating on the information that we are given. Stop calling everything 'fanboism.' I don't care about winning, I care about trying to accurate assess the submarine. You seem to be getting far too heated for no reason at all. If we get confirmation that the submarine is greater than 110m, that is great news not some kind of self own to my esteem. 18 tubes was optimistic I do agree. But fitting 12 cells is still just as much of a task in optimization given a similar form factor.
Let's not talk about "professionalism" in the context of you and curiousdude over there trying to gloat and score points on an internet forum. Fitting 12 cells into a 110m hull form already used up in terms of internal space is a big ask, but 18 is an even more severe challenge and something I feel is far more easily solved by simply inserting a new section into the hull and lengthening the boat. This is what I was communicating before, NOT whether PLAN subs can or cannot have VLS tubes in general.
 

Andy1974

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Side question, were we speculating that this boat was indeed another 093B?View attachment 145207
If you squint you can see 24 covers, in 3 rows of 8. There seems to be a grey thing which splits the covers into 2 sections. But, it also seems the same objects go further, and are more than 24, which makes me thinks they might not be covers at all.
 

Nx4eu

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Let's not talk about "professionalism" in the context of you and curiousdude over there trying to gloat and score points on an internet forum. Fitting 12 cells into a 110m hull form already used up in terms of internal space is a big ask, but 18 is an even more severe challenge and something I feel is far more easily solved by simply inserting a new section into the hull and lengthening the boat. This is what I was communicating before, NOT whether PLAN subs can or cannot have VLS tubes in general.
I'm sorry for gloating about your comment on whether or not the 093B would feature a vertical launch system. I was clearly in the wrong for that. It just as when I read it before, it seemed unusual you would suggest that a VLS in a similar form factor couldn't be done at all, disregarding the 18 vs 12 cells discussion. However, now we know the 093B has at least 12 VLS cells.

Call me optimistic or call me a 'fanboi' but I have a small feeling maybe 20% in me believing it has more than just 12 cells, with only a slight increase in length.
 

Iron Man

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I'm sorry for gloating about your comment on whether or not the 093B would feature a vertical launch system. I was clearly in the wrong for that. It just as when I read it before, it seemed unusual you would suggest that a VLS in a similar form factor couldn't be done at all, disregarding the 18 vs 12 cells discussion. However, now we know the 093B has at least 12 VLS cells.

Call me optimistic or call me a 'fanboi' but I have a small feeling maybe 20% in me believing it has more than just 12 cells, with only a slight increase in length.
That's fine. I would to point out that this boat could be a "093C" or even some other new designation. Even if it is a 093B this doesn't mean the length could not have changed to accommodate new VLS tubes, which is what I was insinuating before. It could also be a case of both lengthening the hull AND optimizing the interior; there is nothing mutually exclusive about the two design approaches.
 

Kich

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12 VLS tubes is quite reasonable for the size of this sub.
18 or more will be pushing the space constraint. Even the relatively larger subs of the US (110m,115m+, etc) only carry 12 VLS except for the longer Virginia V class.

And who knows the sizes of these subs VLS. What if they carry roughly the same dimensions of UVLS, then 12 is quite impressive.

Many have too much expectations of the PLAN. They were a brown/green water navy just 20 years ago.
 
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