09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[asif iqbal]

so how many nuclear submarines does China have?

6 x Type 094 SSBN
and 6 x Type 093 SSN?

how many Type 093B under construction ?

 

[Totoro]

Under construction? Who knows, possibly over a dozen, depending on the definition of construction.
How many 093b launched? 4 to 8, depening on the source and timing of source's info.

6+6 older types is the usually accepted count. Doesn't mean it's 100% true but it shouldn't be far off said count.

 

[Godfree Roberts]

Re: PLAN submarines Thread II

Uh...the point the man was making is the result of the US investing probably hundreds of billions in its submarine warfare capabilities and force.

So, I would not call it, "cheap talk."

Fact is, the US has 14 SSBNs that are far quieter and more capable than the 3-4 SSBNs China has at this point. The US also has a force of 53 nuclear attack submarines, all of which are quieter and more capable than the 8 or so the PLAN has at this point.

So, while I may not agree with some of what was said by this author (for example the Chinese SSBNs do not have to venture far at all from their base to be able to pose a threat to US large cities, which would make it far more difficult for a US sub or other force to get at them), right now, and for the foreseeable future, the US will be capable of finding and destroying all of the Chinese SSBNs and SSNs if they venture out very far into the Pacific Ocean.

But the PLAN is really just getting started in terms of making new boats and introducing new capabilities. So, as time goes on, they will close the gap.

the US has 14 SSBNs that are far quieter and more capable than the 3-4 SSBNs China has?
Who says ours are quieter than theirs? Measurements?

 

[PiSigma]

the US has 14 SSBNs that are far quieter and more capable than the 3-4 SSBNs China has?
Who says ours are quieter than theirs? Measurements?

Hey welcome godfree, haven't seen you put up any articles on unz or elsewhere in awhile.

 

[leibowitz]

the US has 14 SSBNs that are far quieter and more capable than the 3-4 SSBNs China has?
Who says ours are quieter than theirs? Measurements?

For starters, the Type 094 is a double hull design, while the Ohio is a single hull design. In addition, the reactor cooling system on the Ohio has more efficient pumps and better acoustic shielding

 

[Biscuits]

the US has 14 SSBNs that are far quieter and more capable than the 3-4 SSBNs China has?
Who says ours are quieter than theirs? Measurements?

China has had a massive moratium on building new nuclear subs (especially SSBN). While US hasn't.

Even though there are tech wise 2024s updated PLAN attack submarines, the hull design itself is old.

I think such a pause makes sense since without owning the skies (planes and fighters), you can't own the subsurface either. And China has many modern conventional submarines.

 

[ZeEa5KPul]

Uh, the OP is from 2013 and Jeff is no longer with us.

 

[ACuriousPLAFan]

A new 093B SSN (possibly 8th - Or maybe even 9th?!) getting launched at Huludao Shipyard just recently, if this is indeed a new boat. Posted by @foolsball on Twitter.

 

[Hub]

A new 093B SSN (possibly 8th - Or maybe even 9th?!) getting launched at Huludao Shipyard just recently, if this is indeed a new boat. Posted by @foolsball on Twitter.

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Should be the new one. You can not find it on Jan 30’s phot, and think about the frozen surface. It’s reasonable a new one from the factory

 

[Maikeru]

Should be the new one. You can not find it on Jan 30’s phot, and think about the frozen surface. It’s reasonable a new one from the factory

Well the launching barge moved and is under the sub, so definitely a new boat I think. If it is indeed #9 that's a bit better than 3 per year since the 1st launch in May 2022.