09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

[abc123]

It's unclear if JL-2A is currently in service. However, it should join service soon enough if that hasn't happened yet.

Bohai is 11000 km from Northeast and 8400 to 10000 km from west coast.

Yellow/ECS are somewhere in between.

the edge of SCS is 10000 to 12000 km from west coast.

As far as China is concerned, 12000 km is probably global range. I think JL-2A is probably designed around that.

Bohai sea is far too shallow to be used for SSBN patrols. Yellow sea too.
If China want's to have a real global range for their SSBN force ( having all the US in range ) they need to have both missiles with 13-14 000 km range ( launched from SCS ) and relativly exclusive acess to the SCS.

 

[abc123]

Folks already discussed this here. Supposedly the JL-2A is already in service. The JL-2A is a similar upgrade to the JL-2 like the DF-31A is to the DF-31. While DF-31 had a range of 8000 km, DF-31A has a range of 11000 km. Which should be enough to hit entire CONUS.

Yes, but from Manchuria.
That's what I was saying, mobile ground launchers, like DF-31A are: a) allready available for China, just need to be produced in large numbers and b) good enough for keeping the entire CONUS under threat.

 

[tphuang]

Bohai sea is far too shallow to be used for SSBN patrols. Yellow sea too.
If China want's to have a real global range for their SSBN force ( having all the US in range ) they need to have both missiles with 13-14 000 km range ( launched from SCS ) and relativly exclusive acess to the SCS.

Why, which adversary is going to be able to find 094 in bohai or yellow sea?

 

[lcloo]

Bohai sea is far too shallow to be used for SSBN patrols. Yellow sea too.
If China want's to have a real global range for their SSBN force ( having all the US in range ) they need to have both missiles with 13-14 000 km range ( launched from SCS ) and relativly exclusive acess to the SCS.

Bohai Sea is an internal sea of China by international law, no foreign navy ships can sail into it without approval from China. Any foreign submarine or military aircraft found within this area can be lagally attacked, even in peace time.

 

[davidau]

Bohai Sea is an internal sea of China by international law, no foreign navy ships can sail into it without approval from China. Any foreign submarine or military aircraft found within this area can be lagally attacked, even in peace time.

great news. stop all snoopers!

 

[abc123]

Why, which adversary is going to be able to find 094 in bohai or yellow sea?

Don't know, the idea of SSBN is that the submarine is beneath the surface. Not sailing terribly congested waters of Bohai Bay on surface.

 

[sheogorath]

Don't know, the idea of SSBN is that the submarine is beneath the surface. Not sailing terribly congested waters of Bohai Bay on surface.

The point behind the Typhoons is that they could launch their SLBM's even while tied to the pier if push came to shove, so that's not always the case

 

[abc123]

The point behind the Typhoons is that they could launch their SLBM's even while tied to the pier if push came to shove, so that's not always the case

And what's the difference of having simply more mobile launchers instead? For a 3-4 bln. USD that one modern SSBN costs, you can buy lots of mobile launchers. Also, most of the SSBNs, when not in patrol, AFAIK, do not carry their missiles.

 

[Maikeru]

The blue lifting platform has moved into its docking port and the drydock emptied. Not sure what this implies, why empty the drydock if a "launch" is imminent?

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[Maikeru]

*Something* seems to have appeared in the dry dock at the old, Western side of Huludao:

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