09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread

Iron Man

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Do you have evidence China "IS NOT" fielding SQUID? Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence. Jog with two little steps is Chinese way of saying helix spiral development. SQUID is not applicable on open ocean but perfect for choke point like SCS, undersea greatwall. We can both agree I will be doing the man up and you can do the go away
YOU are the one making the claim that China is fielding SQUID, therefore YOU need to provide the evidence that it is. It is NOT up to me to prove you wrong; it is up to you to back yourself up. Clearly you cannot do so or you would have done it already. As it is you have yet to man up that you have absolutely nothing to provide.
 

Iron Man

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TBH nobody has the evidence so nobody could tell, but we are making it sound like the WMD debate on Iraq right now...
Wrong. SQUID is clearly in the R&D stage right now, with no ability to make any meaningful contributions to sub detection in its current state. In fact the articles which talk about SQUID are hesitant to fully commit to its future ability to become a functional ASW system. To actually make the claim that it is CURRENTLY not only operational but also deployed is a step too far and the claimant therefore acquires the FULL burden of proof needed to back up this claim.
 

FORBIN

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Wrong. SQUID is clearly in the R&D stage right now, with no ability to make any meaningful contributions to sub detection in its current state. In fact the articles which talk about SQUID are hesitant to fully commit to its future ability to become a functional ASW system. To actually make the claim that it is CURRENTLY not only operational but also deployed is a step too far and the claimant therefore acquires the FULL burden of proof needed to back up this claim.
Say inexact less unpleasant :)

But seems China get ideas for a SOSUS in SCS last news
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azesus

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I said concurrently ongoing fielding and while perfecting similar to F-35 or like most any advanced projects because advanced project are open ended only simple stuff are a controllable closed system, that's I what I briefly read on a glimpse of a magazine. I am civilian don't work in MIC, those who know won't say, those who don't know read magazine and I am latter. Use common sense its grey fuzzy logic quit beating dead horse or stubborn pin head. On open ocean it's difficult but China don't have global ambition like USA, it can focus SQUID in small space choke point like SCS, I will use fighting as analogy, you have to be a very strong guy to overall overpower a guy all over his body strength wrestle style like USA, but if I use jujitsu focus all my body strength on his neck or wrist only I can defeat a much stronger guy my size get it
 

azesus

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Let me clarify I don't mean SQUID can work by itself but rather a added capability multiplier(if using basketball as analogy SQUID is not a independent all star like kobe bryant but rather a kick out three point dagger shooter like jj reddick , also china leadership seems have a plan wanting to secure SCS by 2022 and usually if there is something the leadership wants it, it usually gets it done, a lot naysayers likes to say china so backward blah blah blah, it can't be done blah blah blah whining and then china usually proves them wrong
 

azesus

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You only emphasize to me you need a new hobby or get out more instead make something out of nothing and chewing on words
 
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Deino

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Guys ... can You all calm down and stay on topic please? By the way ... topic is on Type 093/094 not on SCS, SOSUS; SQID or length discussions. :mad:

Deino
 

Hendrik_2000

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There is no ambiguity in the video. He did NOT mention anything about any rim drive in any Chinese sub.

As for the SQUID I have already said this could become a gamechanger for the PLAN. However, as I already said multiple times, it is in fact NOT being deployed in the SCS. That wall of text you posted does nothing to change this fact.

From observing China military development, I can say that generally when China publish a technical report they already working on the program for some time
Asking proof for any secret military development is like asking proof of god
It is impossible for secretive and opaque organization like PLAN
We all know that they have "underwater great wall"program for some time I have no doubt that SQUID is part of it. You can believe or not that is up to you

As to Ma he is not the chief engineer of China submarine program He is one of the several lead scientist. So to deduce that there is no rim drive based on what he said or not is nonsensical
We know all navies in the world are working on this holy grail of submarine and China is not exception
 
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