Because according to the Western media, Gertz, Fisher, etc, all Chinese tech advances came from stealing secrets from the West
09III/09IV (093/094) Nuclear Submarine Thread
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Because according to the Western media, Gertz, Fisher, etc, all Chinese tech advances came from stealing secrets from the West
The right answer according to the doc is:
- 1st gen is AC generator generating AC power, transmitted through AC grid and converted to localities and converted to various AC voltages.
- 2nd gen is AC/DC generator generating both AC and DC power, transmitted via DC grid to localities and converted to various voltages including AC. The AC apparatus can be IMO replaced with DC in the future, but currently a laptop (for example) can use its AC input. Essensially 2nd gen is a 2in1 combo.
- 3rd gen is something new that I don't fully understand. It is 高速感应集成发供电 in the document, it can be loosely translated to "high speed(rate) conductive integrated power generation and transmission". I have no clue of what does it mean in tech details.
thanks, I got that point and probably @antiterror13's earlier post about the main point.
those western medias and the Gertz and Fisher stocks are just laughing materials to me, bad propagandist at the best.
antiterror13
Brigadier
hmmm 2nd generation generate both AC and DC and then connected to DC grid? really
All big generation basically DC ... why would you converted to AC and then converted back to DC to connected to DC grid?
The problem of DC grid is there is no easy way to convert/transform to different voltage (unlike AC which simply can use Transformers) .. also I can't imagine how complicate the protection system would be on DC grid .... totally different tech ... imagine the CB and bus arrangement? ... wowwww
Also imagine how big the cable would be? ... thats why Tesla won against Edison
I am not saying I am against DC .... I know DC is the future .... just don't fully understand it yet ... and it seems eventually Edison was right
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Skywatcher
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That depends on whether or not one uses the Russian designation system, silly.
Skywatcher
Captain
I heard Admiral Ma say something about a "bearingless propeller"*, and the only one that I can think of matchng that description is the rim driven pumpjet (to the best of my knowledge, even IEPS drived screws have ball bearings in them).
*My command of Mandarin regarding mechanical engineering terms isn't too good though, mind you.
While it is certainly possible/likely that a nation's later fielding of a given technology does not necessarily reflect an earlier thorough understanding of that technology, it is certainly not possible that a nation's earlier fielding of a given technology reflects a later understanding of that technology. Again, you have to ask yourself, was the Chinese understanding of rim drive technology mature enough at the time the 095 began development in the mid to late 2000's, since as I mentioned the sub has to be designed around the propulsion method? We are only now hearing that shaftless rim drive technology is ready for prime time, but if it was going to be on the 095, it should already have been ready 10 years ago. You don't design an entire sub around a single unproven/unready technology and then hope that 10 years later things are going to work out for you because if they don't that sub design is dead and you will have wasted 10 years of time and money.
That's the beauty of IEPS, that its ship layout design doesn't have the follow the constraint of mechanical parts so it could be modular. That it doesn't have to design around it's propulsion system because its shaft-less so it could be modular. Why are you so obsessive about shaft anyway? Are you insecure about yourself? HAHAHA. Taxiya just stated Adm Ma choose and was able to leapfrog a few ladders on the tech tree and so why doesn't it have to strictly follow the prior tech ladder? You are only hearing the rim drive now unproven/not ready to you because you are an outside amateur that doesn't mean a thing to those pros, and why are you so fixated on observing things thru a modular time block of 10yrs anyway, what does that have to do with the real world R&D? You are beginning sounding crazy debating your own delusional false assumption thats all in your own head. 095 concept only started around 2012 because by then China had a new reactor design with the higher output. China don't design 095 around the rim-drive thats just an bell whistle amenities equipment, they deigned the 95 around the new reactor and modular add on the rim drive to use it
bearing-less or shaft-less can all be used to translate his word, it means propulsion device without a driving shaft which rim drive belongs to. So your understanding is correct.
IEPS in this context (regarding what the interview is telling) is only the electricity generation and distribution system. IEPS may include and rightly so the pumpjet, but since it can be used by conventional power source it is not the core part of IEPS and therefor justify the exclusion of it in the discussion.
superdog
Junior Member
Thanks. I said it was the pumpjet because the 'power supply' thing looked like it was connected to the pumpjet, and then he specifically mentioned nuclear submarines. The interpretation you mentioned is quite probable as well.