075 LHD thread

[9615]

China is investing large $ into its navy, and the reason is clear - to protect its sovereignty (of Taiwan and SCS) and safety of trade routes.

Particularly to type 075, I understand it as a vessel that fully provides PLA(N) vertical landing ability.

PLA has long been planning and preparing for a landing battle on Taiwan to recover its sovereignty. But before, they only has type 072, which can only do horizontal landing. It means that PLA can only land on the west coast of Taiwan island (if you look at the geography of Taiwan, east coast are mainly cliffs). PLA's enemy knew it as well, so got well prepared for it by setting barricades near shore as well as anti-landing garrison just in the coast.

With type 071, PLA got part of the vertical landing ability. And in the future with type 075, PLA has the full ability to land at anywhere they want - west coast or east coast, horizontal or vertical, a very diverse way of attack. This is the core demand of type 075, and the reason why it's been built so quick, I understand it as, is that PLA wants to solve Taiwan issue in a near future, somewhere before 2025. PLA has 5 amphibious brigades and 6 marine brigades. All of them demand the vertical landing ability, so doing some math we will know how much 075 they will need.

To give a whole picture, PLA has long been preparing to fight a battle on Taiwan, taking account of the US will help Taiwan. Before, PLA can only start the battle on the west coast of Taiwan and may get seriously hindering by US. So they developed anti-ship ballistic missiles, aircraft carriers, destroyers, and 075s. And when all these are commissioned, PLA will have the A2/AD ability over Taiwan strait, as well as a must-win confidence of the battle.

 

[asif iqbal]

Chinese amphibious forces have zero to do with Taiwan

Taiwan is the responsibly of the army and 2nd artillery corps and always has been

however they could be used to land a beachhead to secure a landing zone for follow up forces

other than that these are Blue water warships for global ambitions

 

[Hendrik_2000]

Chinese amphibious forces have zero to do with Taiwan

Taiwan is the responsibly of the army and 2nd artillery corps and always has been

however they could be used to land a beachhead to secure a landing zone for follow up forces

other than that these are Blue water warships for global ambitions

What global ambition? China does not have global ambition Who is China going to attack? And what for?
But Taiwan is different story It is emotional and unfulfilled promise by the CCP to end the civil war and reunite the country once again. As it has been the custom for millennia what is divided must be reunited.
Taiwan is sore spot in Chinese psyche

It is even written into the law of PRC "anti secessionist law" and one of the paragraph said "China will not wait forever for the reunification of the country"
Beside as long a Taiwan is semi independent Chinese navy will always be hemmed in in the first island Chain So Taiwan is necessary to break the encirclement. With Taiwan gone Japan can be easily neutralized.

The west coast is heavily defended and any one would be foolish to attack from the west So China need alternative landing side than from the west and LHD will provide that Beside LHD also act as anti submarine force providing plenty of ASW helicopter a necessity in landing

 

[9615]

What global ambition? China does not have global ambition Who is China going to attack? And what for?
But Taiwan is different story It is emotional and unfulfilled promise by the CCP to end the civil war and reunite the country once again. As it has been the custom for millennia what is divided must be reunited.
Taiwan is sore spot in Chinese psyche

It is even written into the law of PRC "anti secessionist law" and one of the paragraph said "China will not wait forever for the reunification of the country"
Beside as long a Taiwan is semi independent Chinese navy will always be hemmed in in the first island Chain So Taiwan is necessary to break the encirclement. With Taiwan gone Japan can be easily neutralized.

The west coast is heavily defended and any one would be foolish to attack from the west So China need alternative landing side than from the west and LHD will provide that Beside LHD also act as anti submarine force providing plenty of ASW helicopter a necessity in landing

He's words make PLAN sound like this:

"These giant warships look so cool! Let's build a batch of them and sail them around the world."
"Since we want to be blue water navy, let's build these LHD so we have amphibious ability to attack wherever we want."
"Taiwan is none of my business, the army will take care of it."

These ships will enable China global amphibious ability, indeed. But I don't think that's why they're built in such hurried way. At least in the first few years their focus is Taiwan.

And I doubt this type 075 will be used for anti-subs. China uses frigate like 054A and 056A as their main anti-subs tools. Those frigates are equipped with the best sonars the PLAN has. We saw huge number of 056/056A been built for this.

 

[Hendrik_2000]

He's words make PLAN sound like this:

And I doubt this type 075 will be used for anti-subs. China uses frigate like 054A and 056A as their main anti-subs tools. Those frigates are equipped with the best sonars the PLAN has. We saw huge number of 056/056A been built for this.

You have a lot of sea to cover .The problem is those frigate and corvette can only carry 1 ASW helicopter and LHD can carry a lot of helicopters and extended the circle of surveillance much wider and able to pin point the sub using their sonobuoy and dipping sonar
And that is what you need for landing on the beach else those troop and tank transporter will be send to the bottom of the sea
That is one of the function of LHD

 

[Deleted member 13312]

There is a nugget of truth in Asif's posts regarding China's interests in the world at large, albeit it being extremely vague. As China has undoubtedly experienced a few years before, with so many Chinese working overseas in potentially unstable countries and multi million projects ongoing it is inevitable that these two groups would run afoul of local politics and tensions. In that scenario even if China is not taking an active hand of intervention, it will at least have to evacuate the said citizens and any retrievable assets.

LHDs and LPDs with their troop and vehicle compartments as well as their large and spacious decks and well decks are amply suited for these kind of non-combat operations. The more extreme scenarios would see Chinese forces deployed to guard selected areas designated as neutral zones during a civil war conflict

 

[broadsword]

There is a nugget of truth in Asif's posts regarding China's interests in the world at large, albeit it being extremely vague. As China has undoubtedly experienced a few years before, with so many Chinese working overseas in potentially unstable countries and multi million projects ongoing it is inevitable that these two groups would run afoul of local politics and tensions. In that scenario even if China is not taking an active hand of intervention, it will at least have to evacuate the said citizens and any retrievable assets.

LHDs and LPDs with their troop and vehicle compartments as well as their large and spacious decks and well decks are amply suited for these kind of non-combat operations. The more extreme scenarios would see Chinese forces deployed to guard selected areas designated as neutral zones during a civil war conflict

How? Care to give examples?

 

[Biscuits]

You don’t need more than one LHD to patrol all the SCS territories, besides who’s gonna mount an invasion on the islands that would require a LHD to counterattack? I think it’s quite far fetched for US to invade in the SCS.

What the LHDs are very useful for is ASW duty, they’ll further strengthen the PLAN ASW suite into not just being able to hunt peer and near peer submarine forces, but able to do thrive while doing so. Attach 1 LHD with 30 Helix/Z-9C ASW and the area around it becomes a no go zone for any submarine. It gives a lot of new options for the surface fleet.

 

[Intrepid]

What the LHDs are very useful for is ASW duty ...

... and they are a good base for mine warfare.

 

[asif iqbal]

What global ambition? China does not have global ambition Who is China going to attack? And what for?
But Taiwan is different story It is emotional and unfulfilled promise by the CCP to end the civil war and reunite the country once again. As it has been the custom for millennia what is divided must be reunited.
Taiwan is sore spot in Chinese psyche

It is even written into the law of PRC "anti secessionist law" and one of the paragraph said "China will not wait forever for the reunification of the country"
Beside as long a Taiwan is semi independent Chinese navy will always be hemmed in in the first island Chain So Taiwan is necessary to break the encirclement. With Taiwan gone Japan can be easily neutralized.

The west coast is heavily defended and any one would be foolish to attack from the west So China need alternative landing side than from the west and LHD will provide that Beside LHD also act as anti submarine force providing plenty of ASW helicopter a necessity in landing

Kindly stop trolling

You have picked up a bad habit

You are talking rubbish as usual