szbd
Junior Member
British type23 with same length and beam as 054A, can carry 1EH101 and 1 lynx. Why Z18F is that difficult?
075 LHD thread
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MwRYum
Major
Type 23 frigate can only operate one helicopter, up to the size of EH101; while the EH101 is similar in size to Z-18, the Type 23 has a bigger helipad and hanger than the 054A.
It's still to be seen if the next-gen PLAN surface combatants are designed with bigger helipad and hangers to handle bigger helicopters that are in the pipeline as we speak, but for the relevence to this topic, it's understood that 071 LPD has the capability to operate helicopters of Z-18 size class, as demonstrated in the past.
Actually, it apparently looks exactly like the Mistral, so the Russians must have provided the blueprints to China. It's so obvious.
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Actually, it apparently looks exactly like the Mistral, so the Russians must have provided the blueprints to China. It's so obvious.
It doesn't do them any good because it is different tonnage Mistral is 20000 ton ship . The proposed LHD is 40000 Ton And you cannot scale it up It will screw the weight distribution and center of gravity of the ship.
So other than aesthetic the blueprint is useless!
You clearly missed the joke.
szbd
Junior Member
type23 after overhaul has two hangers now.
Some quick background; in March, the commander of the PLAN, Shen Jinlong, visited HDZH, leading to immediate rumours of a major contract being signed. Various big shrimps within the industry including fzgfzy and pop3 strongly indicated that something big had happened. Here are pop3's personal guesses on what occurred, detailed in a post from March 27, remember the date because it's important:
In short, he believed with high confidence that the 075 contract was signed. He reached this conclusion based on multiple inferences, starting from (a) a contract was most likely signed, (b) the 075's development was faster than 054B's, (c) therefore the contract was likely for 075. He does put a disclaimer that this is his personal guess, albeit a guess of high confidence, and that the visit could have just been a routine visit by a newly appointed CO to a premiere naval shipbuilder.
On May 29, two months after he made his guess, pop3 unequivocally stated that he made an error in his March 27 prediction;
He was then asked to confirm whether he now means the 054B contract was signed instead of the 075 contract. Pop3 responded that neither project's contract had been signed.
On another forum post, he stated that delays in shipbuilding projects are routine as the navy refuses to settle on warship designs that don't have everything ironed out. It's just that in the digital age, details about naval procurement that used to be confined to a small group of individuals now spread everywhere due to speed of communication.
An interesting tidbit about the 075 project is that there was a 48k tonne normal displacement design that got passed over in favour of the current lighter configuration. To anyone who doubted the PLAN's ability to design a large LHD, this piece of info indicates it wasn't lack of ability to design a 40-50k tonne LHD but the lack of such a design's suitability to PLAN doctrine that resulted in the PLAN's opting for a smaller LHD.
In summary, I suppose we'll have to re-evaluate the LHD timeline that was established when the flood of rumours appeared in March.
In short, he believed with high confidence that the 075 contract was signed. He reached this conclusion based on multiple inferences, starting from (a) a contract was most likely signed, (b) the 075's development was faster than 054B's, (c) therefore the contract was likely for 075. He does put a disclaimer that this is his personal guess, albeit a guess of high confidence, and that the visit could have just been a routine visit by a newly appointed CO to a premiere naval shipbuilder.
On May 29, two months after he made his guess, pop3 unequivocally stated that he made an error in his March 27 prediction;
He was then asked to confirm whether he now means the 054B contract was signed instead of the 075 contract. Pop3 responded that neither project's contract had been signed.
On another forum post, he stated that delays in shipbuilding projects are routine as the navy refuses to settle on warship designs that don't have everything ironed out. It's just that in the digital age, details about naval procurement that used to be confined to a small group of individuals now spread everywhere due to speed of communication.
An interesting tidbit about the 075 project is that there was a 48k tonne normal displacement design that got passed over in favour of the current lighter configuration. To anyone who doubted the PLAN's ability to design a large LHD, this piece of info indicates it wasn't lack of ability to design a 40-50k tonne LHD but the lack of such a design's suitability to PLAN doctrine that resulted in the PLAN's opting for a smaller LHD.
In summary, I suppose we'll have to re-evaluate the LHD timeline that was established when the flood of rumours appeared in March.
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Can someone translate ?
MwRYum
Major
Title on the slide:Can someone translate ?
如何应对海洋方向的威胁?
How to respond against seaborne threat?
Title on top of the pic:
新型两栖攻击舰
New amphibious assault ship
Note: turns out the pic that slide used, is an fan-made CG rendering of the possible configuration of the rumored 075 LHA. It's unknown that presentation the venue took place was of what level or capacity.
Some of the other pics were posted here: https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/plan-breaking-news-pics-videos.t7079/page-145#post-469541
I think the presenter and the presentation is legit, but the pictures are not all necessarily real. For examples the pics for the 055 and 052D slides were obviously incorrect and I'm doubtful they would show the 09V/next generation SSN's design openly like that as well. Some other slides otoh are probably more legit like the picture of the YJ-12.
That said I think more important are the actual words in the slide, which while vague, also point to the general direction of the thinking behind some of the navy's projects.