075 LHD thread
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I don't think I'm trying to set a high bar to fail a CSG -- in my last post I did say that a CSG can contribute to MOOTW, but I dont' think I'm exaggerating at all to say that an ARG is able to provide quite a bit more, especially to disaster relief.
Saying that an ARG is able to conduct MOOTW and disaster relief better than a CSG is not equal to me saying that a CSG shouldn't participate in those roles.
I think outside of MOOTW, responding to low intensity contingencies, supporting SOF operations, are also some conflicts that ARGs can be deployed for in for the ME/Africa region.
Broadly I think it is unlikely for an ARG to be deployed to the ME/Africa region like the USN manner of deployment, and it would make more sense to deploy elements of an ARG in conjunction with some kind of standing ME/Africa task force.
But I also think it is unlikely for the Chinese Navy to permanently station an ARG out near its peripheries like the second island chain in the early-mid 2020s either, or indeed permanently stationing an ARG away from home in any manner in that time span.
I don't disagree that an ARG could perform disaster relief better than a CSG, though again this is not the primary function of an ARG, which means that better disaster relief is not really going to figure in how and where an ARG deploys routinely, whether to the ME or to anywhere else.
I don't think the PLAN is planning to station any kind of ARG in the second island chain, or probably even in the SCS. More likely an ARG's home port will be a naval base along the Chinese coastline. That would put it within easy reach of the most likely contingencies China is going to face that would require the services of an ARG.
No disagreements there; though I was never really talking about whether disaster relief would be the primary function of an ARG, but rather how it can (and has been) used if deployed, and I think disaster relief/MOOTWs would be the most likely mission they will do in peacetime.
Yes, I agree that is most likely going to be the case.
In that situation, China most definitely will not be deploying ARGs in the USN style of permanently stationing an ARG far from home.
Well, the US only has a few places where they station wle sets of ships as their duty station off shore from the US.
GUam and Hawaii do not count because they are actual US Possessions, so they are stationed at US facilities.
Japan is a big exception because an entire CSG and and entre MEU 9with its ARG) are permanently statined there with all of their escorts.
Also, in Spain the US has now based a squadron of destroyers. Their primary purpose os to provide BMD to Europe, but they regularly are doing patrols too, like into the Blak Sea.
The US is looking to station some LCS in Pacific, probably around Singapore or that area, and those ships may be stationed there, with their crews being rotated out.
Of course the US does base ships, and submarines at Guam too and of course Hawaii. But a I say, that is not like stationing them in a foreign country like they are doing in Japan, Spain, and potentially elsewhere.
Making port calls, even extended exercises to places like Korea, England, or other places is not the same as stationing them someplace permanently. The US does a lot of exercises that keep ships in foreign friendly ports for weeks at a time...and sometimes longer.
I see no update regarding type 075 LHD. Is it just an online rumor or there is actually some construction going on in secret location ?
It is an online rumor fan-boi fanasty. the 075 rumors and CG drwaings have been around a long lime..years!
However I have no doubt that someday China will build an LHA or LHD. Someday.
No popeye, the 075 project is most definitely real and it probably has begun initial fabrication of modules recently based on the latest indications we read.
At this stage the 075 is similar to where discussion about the 001A was back in 2013 -- i.e.: the credible rumours all being very insistent that work had begun but that it would take a while for modules to be observed and for its existence to be "confirmed" by photos.
Remember we only saw photos of 001A's module assembly in early 2015, and that for many people here they only admitted it was a carrier in late 2015 early 2016. But for those of us who pay attention to rumours, we were able to tell that fabrication and work on 001A's modules likely began far earlier in 2013.
@Bltizo , Well, actually, we have the pics to know when the first actual construction in the dry dock began.
Not when the construction off site may have begun, but when the actual ship construction in the yard began: And that was February 2015. Now it was some time before it was confirm,ed to be a carrier at this stage...but we know now that these photos were of the carrier being built.
...and it has now moved on to this...preparing to launch now in April of 2017. Very good work building this sized carrier in that time frame:
Not when the construction off site may have begun, but when the actual ship construction in the yard began: And that was February 2015. Now it was some time before it was confirm,ed to be a carrier at this stage...but we know now that these photos were of the carrier being built.
...and it has now moved on to this...preparing to launch now in April of 2017. Very good work building this sized carrier in that time frame:
Ah but that's not what I'm referring to.
I am referring to the rumours in the 2013-2014 period about 001A construction going to happen at DL, and also the initial photos of the modules of 001A appearing in April 2015. However, for some people (including yourself, if I could be so bold), only agreed that the modules were for a carrier by late 2015, when in reality if the rumours were paid proper attention then it should have been virtually confirmed that 001A had appeared in April 2015.
In other words, I'm saying we had significant indications if not virtual confirmation that 001A construction was going to happen at DL, well before we had photos of it, due to rumours.
The fact of the matter is that new PLA projects are revealed steadily with 1: vague rumours of the existence of a certain project, followed by 2: more detailed rumours, followed by 3: significant rumours that virtually confirm when a certain project is about to roll out, finally followed by 4: photo confirmation of a new project. That applies quite consistently whether it's a stealth fighter like J-20 or a transporter like Y-20 or a carrier like 001A, or in this case like 075 LHD.
So, my reply to popeye saying "It is an online rumor fan-boi fanasty. the 075 rumors and CG drwaings have been around a long lime..years!" -- is meant to be that right now we are at stage 3, where the rumours have reached a stage which basically confirms that 075 has reached a stage where we can expect it emerge in the next few years at a given shipyard (HDZH in this case). Or, going back to 001A, right now with regards to 075 LHD I believe we are at a similar stage to it like the 001A was in 2013-2014 where rumours about 001A had reached a state of consensus.
More broadly speaking, it would be better if everyone had a bit more respect for "rumor fan-boi fantasies". If proper attention is paid to them, more often than not they end up as reality.