075 LHD thread

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Sczepan

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lcloo said:
That is actually an US Navy doctrine because they deploy their ships at far away regions that need long travel time from base to reach their patrol station, 3 ships is the minimum number they need to ensure there is always 1 ship doing patrolling.

China's navy defense is regional, the operational areas would be relatively near to their bases. They can have all ships in action as in MH370 search operation where they deployed all 3 type 071 in South Indian Ocean at the same time. The total number of type 071 in service then was three.

Patrol stations for PLAN are mainly located in Yellow Sea, East China Sea, South China Sea and they also have convoy escorts at Gulf of Aden.

The convoy escort mission in Gulf of Aden, due to its distance from China, does require the format of 1 ship (flotilla) on station, 1 ship (flotilla) on the way and 1 ship (flotilla) in base.
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PLAN become a real "blue water navy". "Brown water" operations are past.
Operations in the scs near landing strips don't need LHDs.
The convoy escort mission in Gulf of Aden is the blue print for future operations in UN-Missions and at the maritime "silk road" to Africa and more.
075 LHD could be the backbone of those "blue water" missions
 
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Sczepan said:
PLAN become a real "blue water navy". "Brown water" operations are past.
Operations in the scs near landing strips don't need LHDs.
The convoy escort mission in Gulf of Aden is the blue print for future operations in UN-Missions and at the maritime "silk road" to Africa and more.
075 LHD could be the backbone of those "blue water" missions
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We are not seeing China duplication US Navy's world policing. Yes China is becoming blue water as more large warships are built. However, becoming blue water navy does not mean China has to designate patrol stations all over the globe for naval patrol. Thus they don't have to follow US Navy's one ship on station, one ship on the way and one ship under maintenance. Being a blue navy is irrelevant in this particular discussion on the bold words above.

For the next 20 years, PLAN's main adversary will wtill be US and its allies from AUKUS, NATO, Japan and South Korea. So regardless if PLAN is a blue water navy, their main missions will still be in the seas around China as anti-intervention measures against attacks by US and its allies.

What possible missions will be for Type 071/075/076? Are they going to attack Australia, India or USA? I don't think so. In reality, Taiwan and South China sea will be the area these ships are to be deployed despite people like to emphasise that Taiwan is too near for them. If there is a war in the next 20 years, the flare up points will be right next to China's door steps.
 
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lcloo said:
In reality, Taiwan and South China sea will be the area these ships are to be deployed despite people like to emphasize that Taiwan is too near for them. If there is a war in the next 20 years, the flare up points will be right next to China's door steps.
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For some reason, there are people who believe that flying military helicopters across more than 100-300 kilometers of open water to land troops and/or provide fire support to amphibious assault forces on the beachheads of Taiwan before flying back to base across the same distance is feasible/viable (it actually isn't).

Flying to-and-fro land bases that are over 100 to 400 kilometers away from the combat area versus flying to and from friendly LHDs that are mostly double digits to 100 kilometers away from the combat area - All the helicopter pilots know which option to pick.

Then, there's the key factor with on-station duration for these helicopters, which is actually very crucial for such operations (namely, lots of hovering and switching positions to support friendly ground troops). Helicopters cannot just zoom between friendly bases and battle areas for replenishment and refueling like planes do.

Moreover, more fuel carried = less useful weight provisioned for payload onboard (people, equipment and/or weapons), and vice-versa. Might as well make use of the availability of LHDs to carry slightly more than just enough fuel but more useful payload onboard.
 
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kriss

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lcloo said:
That is actually an US Navy doctrine because they deploy their ships at far away regions that need long travel time from base to reach their patrol station, 3 ships is the minimum number they need to ensure there is always 1 ship doing patrolling.
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Long and heavily demanding maintenance cycle of CVNs doesn't help either.
 
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Andy1974

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ACuriousPLAFan said:
But then, if this tender document isn't for two 075s, what could the two ships be?
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We might have seen the 054B built, followed by upgraded 054AG, adding features from the 054B such as Z-20 and maybe more.
Similarly, we could see the 076 built, followed by upgraded 075s, adding something from 076 to the next 075G, say.

What could be added, perhaps for ships 5 and 6, or for 7 and 8, or even a future batch beyond those 8?
- The bow and elevators are different, could that be related to the tender document?
- Twin islands with an elevator between?
- Upgraded masts?
- IEPS?

And forgive me, but I really love this idea:
- A catapult. Making the 075G a mini 076.
 
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kriss

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daifo said:
I think at that point, it would be better to build 076 or even evolve the 076 after the initial batch. Maybe something that can be added would be launching wing long 1 or 2 type drones without a catapult and having a mechanism to retrieve them.
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Didn't they say 075 cost about the same as a frigate? 076 with catapult and whatnot could easily cost twice or three times as much.
 
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ACuriousPLAFan

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Andy1974 said:
We might have seen the 054B built, followed by upgraded 054AG, adding features from the 054B such as Z-20 and maybe more.
Similarly, we could see the 076 built, followed by upgraded 075s, adding something from 076 to the next 075G, say.

What could be added, perhaps for ships 5 and 6, or for 7 and 8, or even a future batch beyond those 8?
- The bow and elevators are different, could that be related to the tender document?
- Twin islands with an elevator between?
- Upgraded masts?
- IEPS?

And forgive me, but I really love this idea:
- A catapult. Making the 075G a mini 076.
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Having that many major, structural-related and complex modifications conducted onto the 075 LHD's design means that the PLAN might as well procure more 076 LHDs instead - Or just develop a brand new class of LHD from scratch.
 
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