075 LHD thread

[crash8pilot]

That may be. However if the Chinese navy were to ever fight to take over Taiwan, I think the highest officer afloat and having theater level authority over all naval forces including carriers will more likely hoist his flag in an amphibious warfare ship like the 075 than on any aircraft carrier.

Brain fart moment on my end as well - I misread mothership for flagship on your original post, my bad!

 

[Richard Santos]

Even though aircraft carriers seem way more powerful, and way cooler, And way more prestigious than amphibious warfare ships, I think it is important to remember in the most probable scenario in which the Chinese navy would go to war, the aircraft carriers’s existence is actually justified by the needs of the amphibious warfare ships, not the other way round.

 

[Heliox]

Except based on the command/rank structure, 075s are commanded by Captains just like the PLAN's destroyers.... whereas both the Shandong and Liaoning are commanded by Senior Captains (NATO equivalent of a Commodore), who then report to the Carrier Battle Group commander (who holds the rank of Rear Admiral).

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1386026744734441479

So while the 075s (or at least the Hainan) uses the provincial vessel naming system, rank and file would suggest the CMC and the PLAN sees the 075 as just another ship in the fleet rather than a flag ship.

Rank of the ship captain has little bearing on the fleet command capability of the ship. Neither does a fleet commander and his entourage command the ship (at the micro level).

No flag ranked group/fleet commander is going to embed in a ship unless it has the necessary suite for fleet C3. That ship can be any hull but it must have the C3 facilities built in or the admiral will be as useless as a passenger along for the ride.

I doubt that naming conventions or prestige has any real world indication on the group/fleet command capability of any platform. You're better off doing an antenna count ...

 

[TK3600]

Do we know the C3 capability of these ships?

 

[NiuBiDaRen]

But do the media in China use this term "两栖攻击母舰" ??

A quick search in Baidu found no such exact term, instead Tencent uses this term "两栖攻击舰" for the 075 as in:

"The first 075 amphibious assault ship was launched"

首艘075型两栖攻击舰入列

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Baidu Encyclopedia has entry under "两栖攻击舰" for this class of warship (incl. Type 075), and there clearly mentions: 两栖攻击舰 （Amphibious assault ship）-- nowhere mentions about carrier or mothership "母舰"

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Pretty much it is 两栖攻击舰 for amphibious assault ship and 航母 for aircraft carrier (a contraction of 航空母舰). Japanese goes by 空母 which I admit sounds really cool.

 

[Richard Santos]

Rank of the ship captain has little bearing on the fleet command capability of the ship. Neither does a fleet commander and his entourage command the ship (at the micro level).

No flag ranked group/fleet commander is going to embed in a ship unless it has the necessary suite for fleet C3. That ship can be any hull but it must have the C3 facilities built in or the admiral will be as useless as a passenger along for the ride.

I doubt that naming conventions or prestige has any real world indication on the group/fleet command capability of any platform. You're better off doing an antenna count ...

An amphibious assault force’s C3 needs would considerably exceed those of a naval task force dedicated to sea battles because it must coordinate air, land and sea, and possibly space forces from all three branches of service, and it must also be able to develop situation awareness and command capability for not just on, below and above the sea, but also on and above land.

Such C3 capability requires a large staff and a great deal of space in which to work, so it must be located in a fairly large ship. So an amphibious assault ship would be a nature candidate.

 

[Heliox]

An amphibious assault force’s C3 needs would considerably exceed those of a naval task force dedicated to sea battles because it must coordinate air, land and sea, and possibly space forces from all three branches of service, and it must also be able to develop situation awareness and command capability for not just on, below and above the sea, but also on and above land.

Such C3 capability requires a large staff and a great deal of space in which to work, so it must be located in a fairly large ship. So an amphibious assault ship would be a nature candidate.

Sure. Don't doubt that.

Just pointing out that ship captain or ship prestige has little to do with this. Likewise, not all amphib platforms are built with that level of C3 too. For all you know, there could be a purpose built group/fleet command ship like the Blue Ridge

 

[by78]

Shipyard update.

 

[Gustaf Adolf]

The fourth 075?

 

[para80]

The fourth 075?

No. The hull fitting out is the third, and the green circles highlight what is thought to be an 071 LPD being laid down.