056 class FFL/corvette

Hendrik_2000 said:

If they aren't that well built how come they last that long . Isn't that contradictory. It show your bias

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No it's not bias or contradiction, it just shows what PLAN is willing to put up to, and how much they probably suffer for it in maintenance costs. The pre-1990s build quality isn't good, and it is something

This is the a picture I took of Yingtang FFG in Qingdao, though the ship rotted a bit since it turned into museum ship, but you can tell it's build quality isn't too good to begin with. It is constructed at the height of the Cultural revolution in 1970, probably why it retires in 1992, with far shorter service life than those commissioned just 5 or 6 years later. However, it is one of ships in PLAN with actual . Perhaps this also though, that PLAN treats it's ship procurements as 30+ year assets, if it retires before that, some is wrong with it. They will not (and sometimes ).

Btw, the ship on the far side is Anshan DD, it was commissioned in 1954 and only decommissioned in 1992... The same time as Yintan, which is built 16 years later. And Fit and Finish wise, Anshan actually looked better. If you go to Qingdao, I highly recommend you to visit this place.


You can a similar museum ship for 037 here


and recent decommissioned Jianghu don't look much better



Now compare that with 053G2, built in 1991

The ship we visited was a missile-launching frigate, the Anqing which entered service in December 1991. It was so clean and spick-and-span that we could have eaten off the floor. The brass had been polished to within an inch of its life. We were told it spent 180 days at sea but Western military observers who've also seen the ship say that, given its extremely good state, that is impossible. “This ship is a showcase,” they told me.

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Hendrik_2000 said:

If they aren't that well built how come they last that long . Isn't that contradictory. It show your bias

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Despite the quality issues, those ships weren't built for long duration cruise far from home port, as much as to do with the Soviet hull designs they inherits. Since they don't go far and not on long trips, they don't get wear out as much so long with regular maintenance. IIRC, for PLAN in those days 8-10 days are long and borderline unbearable - if you can find a documentary series made in the early 90s (I remember watching it and it was produced by BBC I think) about the PLA, in one episode the filming crew boarded a Luda on a patrol, the crew have to eat on the deck, amongst other things.

Still, the leap in shipbuilding workmanship is very apparant even when comparing a 056 with a 037-II missile boat, which the latter was an imported design.

luhai said:

No it's not bias or contradiction, it just shows what PLAN is willing to put up to, and how much they probably suffer for it in maintenance costs. The pre-1990s build quality isn't good, and it is something

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. Perhaps this also though, that PLAN treats it's ship procurements as 30+ year assets, if it retires before that, some is wrong with it. They will not

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Btw, the ship on the far side is Anshan DD, it was commissioned in 1954 and only decommissioned in 1992... The same time as Yintan, which is built 16 years later. And Fit and Finish wise, Anshan actually looked better. If you go to Qingdao, I highly recommend you to visit this place.

You can a similar museum ship for 037 here

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and recent decommissioned Jianghu don't look much better

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Now compare that with 053G2, built in 1991

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Thanks for those pics and that history lesson. Very informative. And for those of us who cannot make such trips any longer, it was also very enjoyable.

luhai said:

Btw, the ship on the far side is Anshan DD, it was commissioned in 1954 and only decommissioned in 1992... The same time as Yintan, which is built 16 years later. And Fit and Finish wise, Anshan actually looked better.

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101 ANSHAN was transferred to PLAN in 1954, but was actually commissioned as Pr. 7 REKORDNYY at Komsomolsk in 1941...
and was totally obsolete when the Soviets turned it over to the Chinese.

Jeff Head said:

So, how many have been launched now, I have lost track?

I wonder if these vessels are being built to a 20-25 service life standard, or 30-35 year? It would be interesting to know.

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The 14th 056 was launched as pt.no. 592 at Wuhan on 16 July.

So four each from Hudong and Huangpu and three each from Liaonan and Wuchang.

They will undoubtedly serve for 30 years.

MwRYum said:

Despite the quality issues, those ships weren't built for long duration cruise far from home port, as much as to do with the Soviet hull designs they inherits. Since they don't go far and not on long trips, they don't get wear out as much so long with regular maintenance. IIRC, for PLAN in those days 8-10 days are long and borderline unbearable - if you can find a documentary series made in the early 90s (I remember watching it and it was produced by BBC I think) about the PLA, in one episode the filming crew boarded a Luda on a patrol, the crew have to eat on the deck, amongst other things.

Still, the leap in shipbuilding workmanship is very apparant even when comparing a 056 with a 037-II missile boat, which the latter was an imported design.

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I think you got it backward. Chinese navy doctrine in 1980 is brown water navy meaning they only adjunct to the army and their doctrine called for coastal defense So that is why they don't have long duration cruise and not because of the quality of the ship.

In that respect they fulfill their design requirement Only in the late 90 when Admiral Li Huaging come with first island and 2nd island chain did they develop doctrine for long range patrol and therefore the requirement for ship that can endure long range patrol.

So in that respect that ship meet their intended design requirement and since as you say they were involved in actual combat on the sea and come out from it in one piece I think that alone is testament to the ruggedness of that ship

franco-russe said:

The 14th 056 was launched as pt.no. 592 at Wuhan on 16 July.

So four each from Hudong and Huangpu and three each from Liaonan and Wuchang.

They will undoubtedly serve for 30 years.

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Franco-Russe there's confusion on the exact dates and launches,what's your take on all the launches and thier dates so far?

franco-russe said:

The 14th 056 was launched as pt.no. 592 at Wuhan on 16 July...

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HD N°3&4





HD N°5

Expect to see no.5 from HP soon