055 Large Destroyer Thread II

[Gloire_bb]

Ships are larger targets than aircraft, therefore a missile needs a larger warhead if it's going to be effective at neutralizing a ship. Anti-ship missiles have larger warheads than anti-air missiles. To answer the question technically yes, an anti-air missile can hit a ship but it will not be an effective weapon.

SAMs are perfectly effective against ships, more so if they have special fuze mods for surface targets.

HQ-9, for example, has a 180kg warhead. That's way more than NSM, and is neatly around the weight of a 9" shell. Even lighter SAMs (say, in HQ-16 class) still have warheads heavier than 6" shells(WW2 cruiser shell), plus the weight of all the missile itself.

Moreover, SAMs tend to come at very high speeds, adding to both kinetic energy and difficulty of intercept.

 

[sheogorath]

Seeing the issues NATO ships have had in Yemen related to the inability to carry out at sea reloading, was this capability as skipped on the Type 055?. I remember the Type 052C have their own cranes for the VLS but I don't remember seeing them for the rest of the VLS ships

 

[latenlazy]

Seeing the issues NATO ships have had in Yemen related to the inability to carry out at sea reloading, was this capability as skipped on the Type 055?. I remember the Type 052C have their own cranes for the VLS but I don't remember seeing them for the rest of the VLS ships

Just build a drone for it.

 

[Stealthflanker]

Moreover, SAMs tend to come at very high speeds, adding to both kinetic energy and difficulty of intercept.

and most if not all SAM's are using rocket as propulsion, means you kinda have limited set of trajectory, if you want standoff ranges.. it will have to go ballistic, means ship having some form of BM Defense capable missile say, Aster or SM series can intercept it. Early detection will be relatively easy as your SAM's climbing it will always break the Horizon, exposing the side of it which is the part where RCS is the biggest.

In the other hand a dedicated anti ship missiles, using turbojet or turbofan engine can fly at low altitude all the times and achive necessary standoff range with very last minute and exposure to enemy defenses.

 

[iBBz]

Nice photo showing the sizes of available VLS floor space of various warships.

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[SlothmanAllen]

These images give a good idea how sizable these VLS cells are.

Just look at the quality of manufacturing on display here. Really impressive stuff. Can you find even a single blemish in any one of these pictures?

 

[by78]

DDG 105 Dalian.

 

[plawolf]

Seeing the issues NATO ships have had in Yemen related to the inability to carry out at sea reloading, was this capability as skipped on the Type 055?. I remember the Type 052C have their own cranes for the VLS but I don't remember seeing them for the rest of the VLS ships

At sea rearmament is a nice idea in theory, but in practice, it’s basically impossible unless you luck upon perfect conditions of near zero wind and waves. Even when you do get perfect conditions to perform it, it’s so slow you are realistically not going to be able to load any meaningful number of cells before conditions deteriorate to prevent continued operations.

There is a reason why the PLAN didn’t bother with the cranes after the 052C class. The USN also ditched the idea pretty quickly.

For large scale VLS reloading, you cannot get around needing forward logistics bases. Which is why the Chinese are building up its own network. And I think this is also an area that the 076 will massively aid in, since they will be able to add recoverable air assets to do the bulk of the strike missions that the PLAN might realistically be required to undertake without needing to pull away a full carrier from around the mainland, so the surface warships can save the bulk of their cells for SAMs and will not need to replenish as frequently as if you were using VLS based cruise missiles for strike campaigns.

 

[totenchan]

At sea rearmament is a nice idea in theory, but in practice, it’s basically impossible unless you luck upon perfect conditions of near zero wind and waves. Even when you do get perfect conditions to perform it, it’s so slow you are realistically not going to be able to load any meaningful number of cells before conditions deteriorate to prevent continued operations.

There is a reason why the PLAN didn’t bother with the cranes after the 052C class. The USN also ditched the idea pretty quickly.

For large scale VLS reloading, you cannot get around needing forward logistics bases. Which is why the Chinese are building up its own network. And I think this is also an area that the 076 will massively aid in, since they will be able to add recoverable air assets to do the bulk of the strike missions that the PLAN might realistically be required to undertake without needing to pull away a full carrier from around the mainland, so the surface warships can save the bulk of their cells for SAMs and will not need to replenish as frequently as if you were using VLS based cruise missiles for strike campaigns.

That little crane was a bad idea, but I believe there were ideas involving a rotating rail system that seemed far more viable and there's attempts from the USN using a far larger crane on the replenishment vessel to do the same thing.

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So the idea certainly isn't impossible, and its probably being actively worked on. Yeah, you probably need a favorable sea state to do it, but there's plenty of things that naval ships can to do that are impossible in certain sea states.
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Says they are trying for a system that can reload in Sea State 5, which should be more than sufficient.

 

[LuzinskiJ]

That little crane was a bad idea, but I believe there were ideas involving a rotating rail system that seemed far more viable and there's attempts from the USN using a far larger crane on the replenishment vessel to do the same thing.

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So the idea certainly isn't impossible, and its probably being actively worked on. Yeah, you probably need a favorable sea state to do it, but there's plenty of things that naval ships can to do that are impossible in certain sea states.
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Says they are trying for a system that can reload in Sea State 5, which should be more than sufficient.

I think VLS reload at sea is a bad idea, especially during a high intensity conflict regardless of good it may sound. The reloading process creates a single target twice as big as the biggest individual target yet at the same time possessing less than half of the maneuverability of the slowest maneuvering ship. And to do this in the midst of a battle is unfathomable to me.