055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[11226p]

A question regarding the preceding post. This paragraph from the source

在赵登平的PPT中还指出，这款疑似鹰击-21临近空间超高音速反舰导弹的射程在900-1500公里之间，第二岛链内使用是没问题的，远海更不是问题，未来055大驱载着鹰击-21，就可远在航母防御圈外发起超远程攻击，世界上还没有类似的高超音速反舰导弹。如今，中国不仅有陆基东风-26、东风-21D两大陆基反舰弹道导弹，又有了舰载版鹰击-21高超音速反舰导弹，进一步完善了中国反舰弹道导弹武器体系。而052D型导弹驱逐舰的垂发也有16个9米深坑，两者的通用垂发系统都是一样的，故而未来052D同样也可携带鹰击-21。

translates to this via google translate

Zhao Dengping’s PPT also pointed out that this suspected Eagle -21 supersonic anti-ship missile has a range of 900-1500 kilometers in the vicinity of space. The use of the second island chain is no problem, and the far sea is not a problem. In the future The 055 large drive carrying the Eagle Strike-21 can launch an ultra-long-range attack far outside the aircraft carrier's defense circle. There is no similar hypersonic anti-ship missile in the world. Today, China not only has land-based Dongfeng-26 and Dongfeng-21D continental-based anti-ship ballistic missiles, but also has a carrier-based version of the Yingzhe-21 hypersonic anti-ship missile, which has further improved China's anti-ship ballistic missile weapon system. The vertical launch of the Type 052D guided missile destroyer also has 16 9-meter deep pits. The general vertical launch system of the two is the same, so the 052D can also carry the Eagle-21 in the future.


Now my question is does the original chinese sentence really imply that china has a YJ-21 version that can be launched from aircraft carriers or their air wing or does this refer to YJ-21 being carried inside VLS in destroyers or am I totally wrong?

 

[Temstar]

Now my question is does the original chinese sentence really imply that china has a YJ-21 version that can be launched from aircraft carriers or their air wing or does this refer to YJ-21 being carried inside VLS in destroyers or am I totally wrong?

舰载版鹰击-21高超音速反舰导弹 should actually translate to "shipboard YJ-21 hypersonic antiship missile".

舰载 = carried on a ship, it doesn't distinguish between destroy or carrier or any specific type of ship. However the most common usage for this word up to now is 舰载机 or carrier-based aircraft, which is probably where google translate got the carrier idea from.

Another example is say 舰载直升机, or shipborne helicopter. Carriers certainly do have helicopters but it's just as common on destroyers and LHA and the word itself does not imply specifically which ship the helicopter in question is based on.

 

[asif iqbal]

ballistic missile on the Type 055 is nothing but pure fan boy stuff

will never happen just a wet dream

 

[SAC]

It is surprising that on Sinodefenceforum there is such false bravado and pseudo intellectualism from long term posters – it reeks of “fanboi-ism”. Anti-ship ballistic missiles are something that the U.S. considers as a serious threat to their fleet, because they have no effective countermeasure to it. It is consistent with Chinese military doctrine that they develop weapons that pose a significant threat to a potential enemy. Anti-ship ballistic missiles are one such system. Being able to deploy them at sea, as well as land-based system which are already operational, is entirely consistent with this philosophy. There appears a fundamental lack of understanding of what an ASBM might be. Hopefully such an immature and uninformed approach will be rebutted, and quickly!

 

[Temstar]

To be fair even Chinese military fans were not all that certain that land based AShBM were actually credible until the recent test, despite the successful test carried out in 2010 against Yuanwang 4.

In many ways such doubt against PLA's capabilities work to the advantage of PLA - by the time you realise a rumour is actually real and present a credible threat you might already be a decade or more behind the curve.

In this case DOD believes ship based AShBM for Type 055 is indeed credible as per their report, who are we to argue otherwise.

 

[banjex]

With that kind of range, they'll need to ensure their ELINT/recon/communications assets are well developed so the missiles can actually strike their targets from 1,000 km.

 

[Tam]

With that kind of range, they'll need to ensure their ELINT/recon/communications assets are well developed so the missiles can actually strike their targets from 1,000 km.

Antiship ballistic missiles won't be like land striking ballistic missiles. The latter relies on GPS, inertia guidance with image verification. With an antiship ballistic missile, it will be relying on an active radar guidance system on the nose of the missile.

 

[Gloire_bb]

With that kind of range, they'll need to ensure their ELINT/recon/communications assets are well developed so the missiles can actually strike their targets from 1,000 km.

Carrier fleet/Maritime aviation(including drones).

 

[kentchang]

I remember reading a news article last year on China polishing a 4.7 meter mirror which when placed in geosynchronous orbit has a coarse (30? meter) resolution that is good enough to track very large ships continuously. Gaofen-4 probably serving as the prototype. I wish I saved the URL/image of this article.

The Yaogan-30 triplets are operational and have a very decent revisit rate now (almost hourly) give how slow ships are.

 

[AndrewS]

ballistic missile on the Type 055 is nothing but pure fan boy stuff

will never happen just a wet dream

A ship launched ballistic missile does actually make sense in a number of scenarios.