055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[asif iqbal]

Module assembly time is about 6months for a single destroyer, so they should be able to launch all of them in 2019

Not really took 1 1/2 years to launch the first Type 052D and over a year to do the next 2 definitely not 6 months

 

[AndrewS]

Not really took 1 1/2 years to launch the first Type 052D and over a year to do the next 2 definitely not 6 months

The first units always take a long time because they're learning.
I recall an article where the later Burkes only took half the construction man-hours of the 1st unit.

And isn't JNCX doing 2 destroyer builds per year from a single building hall now?

 

[steve_rolfe]

The first units always take a long time because they're learning.
I recall an article where the later Burkes only took half the construction man-hours of the 1st unit.

And isn't JNCX doing 2 destroyer builds per year from a single building hall now?

It is getting a bit confusing now due to there being more than one type of Destroyer build, plus 2 shipyards involved, and also we don't now get the regular head on pictures of the hallways at JN shipyard that we used to get a few years ago.

Regarding the 052D, the first few ships were all launched at approximately 6 month intervals............its the outfitting that takes time, which can be anything upto 2 years, as seen with the latter 052C's. The first 052D "Kunming" was the exception to both the 052C class and later 052D ships, in that it was outfitted very quickly.

Regarding the 052D numbers...........the figures quoted now are anything upto 22 vessels, though many of these later numbers are vessels still in modular stage of construction!

 

[antiterror13]

Module assembly time is about 6months for a single destroyer, so they should be able to launch all of them in 2019

Launching shouldn't be a problem ... fitting out may take longer

 

[Interstellar]

So what one Type 052D and one Type 055?

Btw it’s not 22nd Type 052D but rather 22nd 052 of the series

That is to say the 16th Type 052D since there is 6 x Type 052C

The keel of the 22nd 052D has been laid down two weeks ago. -- I think I have made myself clear.

 

[AndrewS]

Can you clarify the definition of laid down?

Is it the appearance of modules or when modules start being assembled together in the final location.

 

[Interstellar]

Can you clarify the definition of laid down?

Is it the appearance of modules or when modules start being assembled together in the final location.

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[AndrewS]

Launching shouldn't be a problem ... fitting out may take longer

True.

But what I'm trying to point out is that there has been a significant increase in the pace of destroyer construction in China.

At the previous rate of 3 destroyers per year, that would mean 30 ships over a 10 year period.
But if construction is now at 5 destroyers per year, that means 50 ships every 10 years.

So in 2030, we would be looking at a Chinese fleet with roughly 70 destroyers.

And as I previously pointed out, by 2030, China should have an economy roughly twice the size of the USA (in terms of actual output as measured using PPP)
So 5 destroyers per year should be sustainable indefinitely.

And if you look further into the future, it means China will be maintaining a fleet with 175 destroyers.
That is based on 5 destroyers per year with a 35 year lifespan.

 

[Jura The idiot]

True.

But what I'm trying to point out is that there has been a significant increase in the pace of destroyer construction in China.

At the previous rate of 3 destroyers per year, that would mean 30 ships over a 10 year period.
But if construction is now at 5 destroyers per year, that means 50 ships every 10 years.

So in 2030, we would be looking at a Chinese fleet with roughly 70 destroyers.

And as I previously pointed out, by 2030, China should have an economy roughly twice the size of the USA (in terms of actual output as measured using PPP)
So 5 destroyers per year should be sustainable indefinitely.

And if you look further into the future, it means China will be maintaining a fleet with 175 destroyers.
That is based on 5 destroyers per year with a 35 year lifespan.

did you surge (LOL) from Jul 29, 2017

What is the endgame?

At the moment, I think they're working to an end-strength of roughly matching the USN. So after another 20 years, it will end up something like this

6+ Aircraft Carriers
90+ Large DDG Type-55/52 (3 per year)
60+ FFG Type-54 (2 per year)
60+ OPV (one off)

But I imagine that they revise the desired force structure every 5 years, according to how much the economy has grown (as military spending tracks at approximately 2% of GDP).

So a 7% growth rate over the next 5 years results in an overall increase of 40%, in which case they would revise the desired end-strength upwards.

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[AndrewS]

did you surge (LOL) from Jul 29, 2017
?

Well, that was a conservative projection based on the previous build rate.

I also speculated that it was economically feasible for China to increase destroyer construction, if the strategic outlook darkened.

And the strategic outlook has most certainly darkened since July 2017.

But more importantly, what does this indicate about the procurement of other high-end weapons platforms like submarines, carriers, stealth jets etc etc?