055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[AndrewS]

Makes you wonder if there is a case for some of those massive guns battleships used to have.Otherwise once the missiles are expended, you have a useless boat.

Battleship main guns just don't have the range. But railguns do.

And the other trend is for the ship's main gun(s) to shoot cheap artillery shells or railgun projectiles with anti-air guidance systems.

The AK-130 can fire 45 rounds per minute, so the PJ-38 should have a similar performance

 

[AndrewS]

Average here 60/70 % SAMs dépends class and countries also

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Yes, I remember that graphic. It demonstrates what the defensive mix could look like in 5-10 years time

 

[FORBIN]

Yes, I remember that graphic. It demonstrates what the defensive mix could look like in 5-10 years time

Edit please

PJ-38 is anti-ships but also anti-air and land targets ?
Some ships have guns unable to fired vs air targets by ex Zumwalt 's guns.

 

[AndrewS]

Edit please

PJ-38 is anti-ships but also anti-air and land targets ?
Some ships have guns unable to fired vs air targets by ex Zumwalt 's guns.

Look at the OTO Melera, which has shells for anti-ship, land and anti-air .

So the other thing is to design the software to handle these modes, which should be straightforward.

The Zumwalt gun should be able to do to the same, if they spent the money to do it.
But the Zumwalt class has been cancelled.

 

[xiabonan]

I think perhaps the most important takeaway from that earlier CCTV video was not that it revealed the number of VLS on the 055, rather it was the improvement in welding processes.

Some key points from the video:

• R & D people developed a new system for managing welding
• Presets of welding gun configurations (such as voltage, current, duration, etc.) were pre-tested and saved in a database
• When welders come on site and swipe their cards the system will allocate them to a particular welding station and from there these presets would be sent to his welding gun to ensure every weld follows pre-determined configurations
• These changes were able to make sure the 055's surface is much smoother than before and the welds are much more uniform and quality is much improved.

The chief inspector of 055's construction mentioned in the video commented that

"the 055 as a class of warship is on par with world leading standards (for such ships), and its construction process and methodology is beyond world leading standards"

In China, 'world leading standards' basically refers to US capabilities.

 

[FORBIN]

Compasison with others main surface combattants

without small missiles
112 silo
64 silos
56 tubes
56 tubes
56 missiles modified with new VLS 48 tubes
40 tubes

 

[Jura The idiot]

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D'habitude je n'aime pas utiliser les images CG d'amateur, mais je trouve celles-ci assez représentatives du destroyer chinois Type 055.

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Usually I do not use the CG of amateur images, but I find these fairly representative of the Chinese destroyer Type 055.

 

[Iron Man]

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D'habitude je n'aime pas utiliser les images CG d'amateur, mais je trouve celles-ci assez représentatives du destroyer chinois Type 055.

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Usually I do not use the CG of amateur images, but I find these fairly representative of the Chinese destroyer Type 055.

I seriously doubt the area above the bridge and behind the rear AESA panel will get a solid railing. The more likely (and likely only) area to receive this is the amidships weatherdeck area IMO, so this artist seems to have it reversed.

 

[taxiya]

Makes you wonder if there is a case for some of those massive guns battleships used to have.Otherwise once the missiles are expended, you have a useless boat.

those massive battleships have their value in their time. A missile ship is useless after all fired.

However, the point is not "more is bad", the point is "everything has a limit, 96 is a limit as reasonable as 128, the judgement of that limit is a complicated calculation, both 96 and 128 are reasonable ONLY in their own context, doctrine, force structure etc."

 

[taxiya]

The other trend is a shift in defensive SAM doctrine from large, expensive and long-range SAMs to medium-range SAMs which are cheaper, shorter-ranged and can be quad-packed.

So a Type-55 could load 48 cells with a 192 quad packed MR-SAMs. That would still leave 64 cells for LR-SAMs, ASMs, etc

I am not sure about the medium-range replacing long-range thing. Shorter range simply can not reach the threat compared to the long ones.