055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

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Iron Man

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If they are only EW recievers than the jammers' position could be the other sensors that are little unknowns, to complete the EW suite picture. On the other hand, if the under bridge panel is the jammer, it could be a model which has no contemporary, fitting a different set of criteria and/or philosophy. I guess it's wait & see if the two weird panels on both sides look different during sea trials, it may confirm they're at least arrays if they have covers like during a Type 346A installation.
Well we can't even be sure that the 055 actually even has a jammer, so all bets are up in the air. If either of those large panels are any kind of emitter it/they will require a lot of juice to power them, so that's something we need to consider given the 055's unknown power generation capability.
 

Tyloe

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Well we can't even be sure that the 055 actually even has a jammer, so all bets are up in the air. If either of those large panels are any kind of emitter it/they will require a lot of juice to power them, so that's something we need to consider given the 055's unknown power generation capability.

Besides the mystery panels, my lead to a jammer on 055 is from the specs asserted by Henry which mostly came true, and included a greater ECM suite over 052D. Here's the link to the post he made in a French forum.
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If that's correct then this suite should be more than EW receivers and the pair ECMs on top of the mast (which looks kinda similar to the pair on 052D). So far guesses to the below bridge-wing panel point to an array, either of 4 things; a search radar, HPM, ECM/Jammer, or some type of passive radar. Interesting if any one of them comes true.
 

Iron Man

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Besides the mystery panels, my lead to a jammer on 055 is from the specs asserted by Henry which mostly came true, and included a greater ECM suite over 052D. Here's the link to the post he made in a French forum.
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If that's correct then this suite should be more than EW receivers and the pair ECMs on top of the mast (which looks kinda similar to the pair on 052D). So far guesses to the below bridge-wing panel point to an array, either of 4 things; a search radar, HPM, ECM/Jammer, or some type of passive radar. Interesting if any one of them comes true.
All this discussion has been leading me to read up some on electronic warfare. It seems that "ECM" should specifically refer to the methods and devices used to deny the enemy targeting or communications information, such as a jammer, a chaff/flare/decoy launcher, towed acoustic decoy, or laser blinder. A sensor/receiver would not be called "ECM", it would be under "ESM". So that UHF/VHF coms/ESM mast would be used for both communications and ESM, and the little pair of gadgets at the base of the ESM mast would also be ESM unless they specifically have some kind of active radiative function like jamming or spoofing, in which case they would be ECM. If the bridge wing panels are detectors, they are ESM, and if they are jammers, then they are ECM. To complicate things, in the future naval AESAs may add both ESM and ECM to their multirole functions, just as allegedly the F-22 and F-35 radars already have EW/EA capability.
 

jobjed

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At this point I am willing to wire cold hard cash to someone in Shanghai to go and take a photo of the back of the 055.

If you're being serious, just contact a satellite image provider and give them the coordinates of JNCX, and ask for a 0.3m/pixel resolution cloudless update. Their satellites travel the circumference of the Earth every 90 min, they'll definitely pass over JNCX multiple times in the next few days.
 

taxiya

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I think point 3 makes me most doubtful -- I'm not sure how much electricity a practical HPM weapon would need, and we don't quite know how much electricity the 055 can generate. If it was hooked up with IEPS I think we could be fairly convinced it would have more than enough for HPM and then some, but as it is, I'm not so sure.
From a cjdby thread regarding whether 055 is over-powered, there is a claim of 055 having 4 gas-turbine driven electricity generators of 5MW each. That is totally 20MW. Some poster also claim that Burke III is designed with 12MW while another poster stated 8MW.

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Do you have some information about Burke III's electricity generation capability? We know that Burke 3 increases demand on electricity generation for the bigger AESA radar and many others. Regardless the figures being MWe or MWt, if that comparison is on the same scale and that arrangement (12 or 8 MW) works for Burke III, shouldn't 20MW work for 055? That is double.

The thread also claims 055's main power plant can generate more than 90MW (thermos or electrical?)at economical rate more than Zuwalt's 78 MW (thermos or electrical?) I hope the poster was comparing on the same scale.
 

Iron Man

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If you're being serious, just contact a satellite image provider and give them the coordinates of JNCX, and ask for a 0.3m/pixel resolution cloudless update. Their satellites travel the circumference of the Earth every 90 min, they'll definitely pass over JNCX multiple times in the next few days.
How much would such an image cost? The other thing is one would have to know the location of the 055 currently.

From a cjdby thread regarding whether 055 is over-powered, there is a claim of 055 having 4 gas-turbine driven electricity generators of 5MW each. That is totally 20MW. Some poster also claim that Burke III is designed with 12MW while another poster stated 8MW.

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Do you have some information about Burke III's electricity generation capability? We know that Burke 3 increases demand on electricity generation for the bigger AESA radar and many others. Regardless the figures being MWe or MWt, if that comparison is on the same scale and that arrangement (12 or 8 MW) works for Burke III, shouldn't 20MW work for 055? That is double.

The thread also claims 055's main power plant can generate more than 90MW (thermos or electrical?)at economical rate more than Zuwalt's 78 MW (thermos or electrical?) I hope the poster was comparing on the same scale.
Flight IIA has three 3MW GT generators, while the Flight III will have three 4MW GT generators. 20MW for the 055 seems somewhat excessive unless they are being used to power something we don't know about (maybe those huge panels?)
 

jobjed

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How much would such an image cost? The other thing is one would have to know the location of the 055 currently.

No idea, you have to enquire first and then they'll give you a quote. Actually, thinking about it, I don't think it's feasible considering minimum image request size is like several dozen square kilometres when the actual area we're interested in is just the midsection of a single ship. Still, I think enquiries are free so you can still ask them if you're that dedicated. There are a few companies you can ask including Geoimage, Satellite Imaging Corporation, Digital Globe, etc. Terra Server has already updated their latest image of JNCX but it's a B&W 0.5m resolution image that's far too blurry to make out 112 or 128.

As for the location of the 055, it's parked in front of the 052D, moored along the eastern edge of the JNCX basin.
 

Iron Man

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No idea, you have to enquire first and then they'll give you a quote. Actually, thinking about it, I don't think it's feasible considering minimum image request size is like several dozen square kilometres when the actual area we're interested in is just the midsection of a single ship. Still, I think enquiries are free so you can still ask them if you're that dedicated. There are a few companies you can ask including Geoimage, Satellite Imaging Corporation, Digital Globe, etc. Terra Server has already updated their latest image of JNCX but it's a B&W 0.5m resolution image that's far too blurry to make out 112 or 128.

As for the location of the 055, it's parked in front of the 052D, moored along the eastern edge of the JNCX basin.
I don't think TerraServer has updated their imagery of JCNX. This is the shot that I just got off their site:

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