055 DDG Large Destroyer Thread

[Iron Man]

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Yesterday the BBC told me that RN is not good in personnel planning. It has nearly enough people for its first flattop but its is in trouble for the second.

Perhaps, though the RN only has 33,300 personnel compared to PLAN's 255,000.

 

[Jura The idiot]

Perhaps, though the RN only has 33,300 personnel compared to PLAN's 255,000.

let me briefly comment, actually just put the link to 19 Hours Ago
Missing from Trump's grand Navy plan: skilled workers to build the fleet

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[FactsPlease]

I do not believe the PLAN is building vessels without a clear adn concise plan to man them.

I have not seen the PLAN make such a direct and straightforward mistake to this date and do not believe they are doing so now.

Time will tell...but they clearly are operating to an overall naval buildup plan/program and that program would include the design, development, building, launching, outfitting, trials and testing, manning and training, commissionining, initial operating capability and full opeating cpability,

Each vessl in that plan, from the missile boats to the corettes, firgates, destroyers, LPDs, carriers, AORs, submarines, etc...each on of them will have a multi-year plan to lead them through that entire set of steps...which will then also include all the maintenance periods, the mid-life refits, and ultiately taking them out of commission They will have a plan for all of that. They may alter it depending on needs, particularly as the vessel goes through its entire life. But make no mistake, they have goals and milestones for all of those things for each vessel.

Perhaps my tone does not sound what I mean. I'm NOT saying PLAN lacks any planning, be it ship design or personnel force preparation - and I'm extremely aware training for qualified sailors or navy officers take less than a modern frigate to build. I simply want to hear someone to address on PLAN training capacity - academy capacity, training cycle, training procedure & books, etc. Just a quick wish of a layman, I admit. Thanks.

 

[latenlazy]

Perhaps my tone does not sound what I mean. I'm NOT saying PLAN lacks any planning, be it ship design or personnel force preparation - and I'm extremely aware training for qualified sailors or navy officers take less than a modern frigate to build. I simply want to hear someone to address on PLAN training capacity - academy capacity, training cycle, training procedure & books, etc. Just a quick wish of a layman, I admit. Thanks.

Admittedly I don't think we know enough specifics to know how they go about their personnel planning and preparation for new ships, *but* the PLAN hasn't shown itself to procure more than it's ready to operate before, and it's pretty basic to all navies that your ships don't have too many differences in how they're operated, and you rotate sailors around from a larger reserve to both allow for rest and also broaden training, so it's not like there isn't already a pool to draw from. It's also pretty basic to most navies that if you are bringing online new equipment that needs special training land based facilities can be used for your first few companies, and China is a big enough navy where we can be pretty certain they do this (I want to say we have direct evidence for this but I haven't catalogued all the naval information we've shared within this community, so I'll leave it to others to say for sure).

 

[Lethe]

PLAN does not -- or rather should not -- have final say over warship construction. There are other, industrial-strategic factors that can influence such decisions and potentially result in less than ideal outcomes from a PLAN perspective.

 

[latenlazy]

PLAN does not -- or rather should not -- have final say over warship construction. There are other, industrial-strategic factors that can influence such decisions and potentially result in less than ideal outcomes from a PLAN perspective.

But in order for us to presume that any insufficiencies are significant, we must also presume that the Navy hasn't, doesn't, or isn't able to plan for these other factors, that there is no coordination between the Navy and other decision makers.

 

[Lethe]

The only assumptions are on the part of those claiming to know the future. The point is that it hasn't happened yet, and many of the factors contributing to that future remain hidden from us.

 

[delft]

Perhaps, though the RN only has 33,300 personnel compared to PLAN's 255,000.

True, but RN has only a few ships.That should make it easier to plan to train personnel for each ship as it is being built.

 

[Jura The idiot]

True, but RN has only a few ships.That should make it easier to plan to train personnel for each ship as it is being built.

hm, the RN is preparing for new ships in a truly pathetic way; just two examples:

1. Aug 31, 2016
   

   refurbished for tens of millions of pounds, so it's time to scrap her
   HMS Ocean to be decommissioned in 2018, MoD announces

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   so that a dozen of F-35Bs can be flaunted on a supercarrier

2. Today at 6:55 PM
   

   yeah billions for quantum leap in the form of F-35Bs aboard supercarriers for billions ... and
   Royal Navy helicopters now have no anti-ship missile capability until 2020

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   (I won't hold my breath until "Wildcat will receive the heavy anti-ship missile Sea Venom and the smaller Martlet to be used against small boats.")

but it's like countdown to 'power projection' and 'carrier strike' going on now – according to the Admiralty

 

[Richard Santos]

Britain is a third class power, denuding the second rate navy she could barely support, just to create the half asses illusion that she at least can boast the signature item, if none of the real capabilities, of a first class navy.

Clearly she is not aiming for a national navy, but a contingent flight deck reserve for the US navy.

So it must be particularly gulling for Britain to hear Britain had been dragged, through no action of her own whatsoever, into the opposition side of an ridiculous US domestic dust up over whether the sanctity of a national humiliation of a presidential election had allegedly been compromised in such a way as to involve British participation.