054B/new generation frigate

gelgoog

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It certainly beats the pure drivel that The War Zone typically writes about the PLA when left to their own devices. When commenting on defense news on the US the TWZ site is less bad, because they have proper sources more often.
Naval News in contrast seems to be a pretty decent site in general. And it is done way more professionally than TWZ.
 

snake65

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I do not think target illuminators are used on the ship. The missiles are HQ-16 but they are the new version with active radar guidance. With active radar guidance, their range is now far greater because they are no longer limited by the range of the illuminators, allowing the missiles to fly to their full ballistic potential. The datalink for the missiles may reside within the main radar panel itself, a technology already used on the 052C/D and 055 main radars.
These could be datalink for missiles as well.
 

HighGround

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It certainly beats the pure drivel that The War Zone typically writes about the PLA when left to their own devices. When commenting on defense news on the US the TWZ site is less bad, because they have proper sources more often.
Naval News in contrast seems to be a pretty decent site in general. And it is done way more professionally than TWZ.
Alex Luck's Twitter is insufferable.
 

Tam

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Don't some ARH systems still have a smaller panel to track the missiles themselves (not the target, but the SAM)? But if the main panel already does that then I agree there's no reason for it.

Yes but main radar is doing it which is the case on the earlier version of the HQ-9. Unless the missile has built in flight telemetry whose data is radioed to the ship via data link. Using the tracking data obtained from either the two methods, the fire control computer in the ship determines the optimal flight path to the target and controls the missile via datalink until the missile goes terminally active.

Don't know which of the two methods the later HQ-9s and the active guidance HQ-16F would use. If the main radar has to do it, the rear of the missile has to be modified to increase its RCS so the main radar can track it further. If built in flight telemetry is used, this can consume some valuable tight internal space within the missile, plus it's an additional battery drain.
 

Hub

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In Yankee’s talk show last night, he mentioned PLAN intends to transfer all frigates in the destroyer division to the frigates division. That means all 054As will combined with 056As, become the offshore defence force. In this scenario, how to arrange 054Bs becomes a problem. Because it’s a more expensive ship but still a frigate. Some people are talking about 054B may become a new generation 051B, a very small number of transitional models.
 

Blitzo

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In Yankee’s talk show last night, he mentioned PLAN intends to transfer all frigates in the destroyer division to the frigates division. That means all 054As will combined with 056As, become the offshore defence force. In this scenario, how to arrange 054Bs becomes a problem. Because it’s a more expensive ship but still a frigate. Some people are talking about 054B may become a new generation 051B, a very small number of transitional models.

That sounds very reasonable.

I don't see what the problem is with 054Bs replacing the role that 054As currently have in destroyer flotillas.

While 054Bs are more expensive than 054As, they are also more capable and the Chinese economy is much larger than it was in the past.
Mass procurement of 054Bs (and/or a successor model depending on how big of a production run they have) to sit in destroyer flotillas seems fairly logical in that context.
 

TK3600

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In Yankee’s talk show last night, he mentioned PLAN intends to transfer all frigates in the destroyer division to the frigates division. That means all 054As will combined with 056As, become the offshore defence force. In this scenario, how to arrange 054Bs becomes a problem. Because it’s a more expensive ship but still a frigate. Some people are talking about 054B may become a new generation 051B, a very small number of transitional models.
I thought 056A retired? 054A will be the sole near sea patroller. I expect 054B do the same but for deep sea farther away. In that I think the demand call for plenty of 054B. 10+ at least. From east of Taiwan to Gulf of Aden are all suitable.
 
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