054/A FFG Thread II

blindsight

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PL-8 is said to have a maximum overload of 40G, and the PL-10 is said to have a maximum overload of 60G. I reckon there should be some AAMs and SAMs in between. If I remember the PL-12 is said to be 38G, and the LY-60 at 35G.

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Do you think PLAN should use the U-VLS with the new 555s on the 054B? I kind of feel that makes sense...
 

AndrewS

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Do we know of any other missiles that can sustain a 50G turn?

Modern AA missiles can easily have a ground attack function added to them using only software updates, and if no defensive missiles/systems can shoot down a missile launched from a frigate 50km away, that is traveling at Mach 5 while pulling 50G terminal maneuvers then perhaps this will be a key role for the new missle.

If so, I would suggest that this missle could arm a future (submersible?) arsenal ship program.

AA missiles typically have a small warhead and are overengineered (and therefore expensive) for a ground-attack role
 

AndrewS

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Is there a reason why the PLAN does not have a long range SAM (say 150+ km range similar to early versions of the SM-2) that could be fitted into the VLS on 054As? Or a smaller cruise missile (like LRASM/JASSM) that could be launched from 054A? Since there are so many 054A (50+) in service in the foreseeable future, why not arm to the teeth to give them bigger punch?

If you fit a more powerful and longer-ranged radar onto a Type-054 to fire longer-ranged missiles, you're better off with a bigger hull.
So you actually end up with a Type-052D. And given the higher fixed cost of the radar, you want it to guide more missiles.
Hence the VLS count jumps to 64 for a Type-052D

You're looking at roughly twice the cost
Type-054A (1.8 Billion RMB)
Type-052D (3.5 Billion RMB)

Also remember that air defence is generally a losing proposition. It's better to be on the offensive
 

AndrewS

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I can imagine the damage this could do to a radar installation, or a radar on a destroyer...


An SM-6 has a 64kg warhead and costs $4.3M

It might take out a single Flat Panel radar face on a Destroyer, but the other panels will still be usable.

You might as well use a purpose built anti-ship missile with a much larger warhead, which actually costs less as well
 

ChongqingHotPot92

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If you fit a more powerful and longer-ranged radar onto a Type-054 to fire longer-ranged missiles, you're better off with a bigger hull.
So you actually end up with a Type-052D. And given the higher fixed cost of the radar, you want it to guide more missiles.
Hence the VLS count jumps to 64 for a Type-052D

You're looking at roughly twice the cost
Type-054A (1.8 Billion RMB)
Type-052D (3.5 Billion RMB)

Also remember that air defence is generally a losing proposition. It's better to be on the offensive
I will say you need both offense and defense, but I think an upgraded 054A hull can do it with the right weapons. And yes, I think you can indeed fit more powerful radars on 054A, such as new AESAs, while keeping the 32 VLS, which could fire a combination of long-range SAMs, tactical cruise missiles, and ASROCs.
 

iantsai

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054APs was equipped YJ-12E missiles. This photo was taken during the installation of the missiles, when there are only three units installed.

YJ-12 weights about 2 tons while YJ-83 weights 850kg. The space is capable of carrying two quad-missile launching rack(2*2 each).
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The YJ-12 on PLAN destroyer Shenzhen(#167), also in a situation that only four missiles were loaded(max 16). FYI.

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Another photo of PLAN destroyer Hangzhou(#136) after mid-term upgrades, all 16 missiles loaded.
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lcloo

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054APs was equipped CM-401 (YJ-12E) missiles. This photo was taken during the installation of the missiles, when there are only three units installed.

YJ-12 weights about 2 tons while YJ-83 weights 850kg. The space is capable of carrying two quad-missile launching rack(2*2 each).
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The YJ-12 on PLAN destroyer Shenzhen(#167), also in a situation that only four missiles were loaded(max 16). FYI.

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PLAN destroyer Hangzhou(#136) after upgrades, all 16 missiles loaded.
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Just a minor correction, your last photo is actually showing #167 PLANS Shenzhen with 16 YJ-12A in 4X4 configuration. #136's YJ-12A are positioned pointing forward at 2X4 configuration, at bottom sides of the superstruture.
 
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