054/A FFG Thread II

[gelgoog]

Why not existing naval Z-20? Does it not fit into the frigate?

 

[Njamba Nene]

the biggest development here are the later iterations of the FFG have VDS, TAS and better bow mounted sonars

there could be a case they are using a rotary UAV as some later Type 054A have what looks like a side storage hanger next to the main hanger

however the main thing they lack is a true long range naval helicopter

Z9C just doesnt cut the butter and is the biggest weakness in the PLAN ASW

Z15 was planned dont know if it will ever materialise, if the manage to solve the helicopter problem build enough then yes I would agree China has mastered the ASW warfare but not yet

the Z9c is short legged i agree, but i think the solution more so to frigates will be unmanned rather than developing a new helicopter, i expect the Z9c in future to be supplemented by some of of those unmanned rotorcrafts being developed, maybe even fully replaced eventually.

 

[Njamba Nene]

Why not existing naval Z-20? Does it not fit into the frigate?

in my opinion, i think the hangar is the limiting factor.

 

[asif iqbal]

the Z9c is short legged i agree, but i think the solution more so to frigates will be unmanned rather than developing a new helicopter, i expect the Z9c in future to be supplemented by some of of those unmanned rotorcrafts being developed, maybe even fully replaced eventually.

for naval operations the UAV crash rate is still to high especially if its a rotary wing UAV maybe in 10 years when AI technology has really matured but manned helicopters will be around for decades to come

however a small UAV for scouting etc is probably good as it gets

unless we talk fully blown UCAV programme for flat deck carriers, but even its not quite there yet

 

[Tam]

the biggest development here are the later iterations of the FFG have VDS, TAS and better bow mounted sonars

there could be a case they are using a rotary UAV as some later Type 054A have what looks like a side storage hanger next to the main hanger

however the main thing they lack is a true long range naval helicopter

Z9C just doesnt cut the butter and is the biggest weakness in the PLAN ASW

Z15 was planned dont know if it will ever materialise, if the manage to solve the helicopter problem build enough then yes I would agree China has mastered the ASW warfare but not yet

They can use Ka-28s or order more of them.

For me, ship is more important because it can hold data processing equipment that no helicopter can. Once subs reach ambient sea levels of noise, you are going to need computers to sort and filter their faint noise signals out from the ambient noise.

 

[Njamba Nene]

They can use Ka-28s or order more of them.

For me, ship is more important because it can hold data processing equipment that no helicopter can. Once subs reach ambient sea levels of noise, you are going to need computers to sort and filter their faint noise signals out from the ambient noise.

i dont expect the 054A to have this AI supplemented ability, but it could be available in the next generation ASW frigate, hopefully integrating unmanned platforms, this could revolutionize sub warfare.

 

[Tam]

i dont expect the 054A to have this AI supplemented ability, but it could be available in the next generation ASW frigate, hopefully integrating unmanned platforms, this could revolutionize sub warfare.

Its not AI, its more to do with digital signal processing. Its fairly common even with submarines, and given the microelectronics that's been available, even with ASW corvettes.

 

[Tyler]

Any new designs for countering the type 26 ships?

 

[Gloire_bb]

Any new designs for countering the type 26 ships?

Why do they need a specific counter?

 

[Tyler]

Why do they need a specific counter?

Just to stay competitive in the export market.