054/A FFG Thread II

delft

Brigadier
I'am sure over time working in such a conditions in a room with a dark background, but staring at ultra bright screens does affect eye sight.........i mean if you see people who work outside in natural light.....eg builders.........how many of them wear glasses?........very few indeed!..........BUT many CAD operators need to wear glasses....DON'T they?
I don't think the light level is the problem. I wear glasses since I was eleven, having read a lot and having played outside relatively little, so my eyes were not well used to accommodating looking far away. Your CAD operator is always looking at a screen about a meter away while people working outside are constantly varying the distance over which they look.
 

steve_rolfe

Junior Member
I don't think the light level is the problem. I wear glasses since I was eleven, having read a lot and having played outside relatively little, so my eyes were not well used to accommodating looking far away. Your CAD operator is always looking at a screen about a meter away while people working outside are constantly varying the distance over which they look.

Good point...its true that CAD operators spend most of their day focusing on a fixed point distance.

Those images from Jeff Head of US CIC rooms did appear to be very dark though!

Anyway, back to the 054A........the Chinese have commissioned some 6 vessels I believe in the last year of this class, which is very good going. Makes you wonder why our friend here Jeff has his own production line of these vessels in the US as well...........haha.
 

vesicles

Colonel
I don't think the light level is the problem. I wear glasses since I was eleven, having read a lot and having played outside relatively little, so my eyes were not well used to accommodating looking far away. Your CAD operator is always looking at a screen about a meter away while people working outside are constantly varying the distance over which they look.

Actually, I think it's got more to do with genetics than anything else. My eyes were perfect 20/20 when I was doing a lot of heavy studying in junior high in China, was still 20/20 with mild-level studying in the 3 years in high school in Texas (yes, I finished high school in 3 years :p) and only got worse in my sophomore year in college when I had done almost no studying for almost 2 years (I spent most of my college freshman and sophomore years drinking and partying). So studying and reading was absolutely not the reason that my eyes went bad. Later, I found out that my mom's eyes became near sighted when she was in her sophomore year in college. So it's genetics.

So I would imagine, Delft, based on that fact that you started wearing glasses at such a young age, at least one of your parents has pretty serious eye issues?
 

delft

Brigadier
Actually, I think it's got more to do with genetics than anything else. My eyes were perfect 20/20 when I was doing a lot of heavy studying in junior high in China, was still 20/20 with mild-level studying in the 3 years in high school in Texas (yes, I finished high school in 3 years :p) and only got worse in my sophomore year in college when I had done almost no studying for almost 2 years (I spent most of my college freshman and sophomore years drinking and partying). So studying and reading was absolutely not the reason that my eyes went bad. Later, I found out that my mom's eyes became near sighted when she was in her sophomore year in college. So it's genetics.

So I would imagine, Delft, based on that fact that you started wearing glasses at such a young age, at least one of your parents has pretty serious eye issues?
Quite true. Generics are always involved. My mother had pretty strong lenses but her eyes started to improve when she reached fifty and by the time she reached seventy she only used reading glasses. That didn't happen with me. My eyes only started to improve when I was in my late '50's. :)
But that doesn't mean working outside or inside has no influence at all. That too is important.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
Actually, I think it's got more to do with genetics than anything else. My eyes were perfect 20/20 when I was doing a lot of heavy studying in junior high in China, was still 20/20 with mild-level studying in the 3 years in high school in Texas (yes, I finished high school in 3 years :p) and only got worse in my sophomore year in college when I had done almost no studying for almost 2 years (I spent most of my college freshman and sophomore years drinking and partying). So studying and reading was absolutely not the reason that my eyes went bad. Later, I found out that my mom's eyes became near sighted when she was in her sophomore year in college. So it's genetics.

So I would imagine, Delft, based on that fact that you started wearing glasses at such a young age, at least one of your parents has pretty serious eye issues?

OT, but never forget about proper nutrition. I dare say its a safe bet that you did not eat as balanced and healthy a diet in uni as you did when at home with your parents cooking proper meals for you, as is the case with the vast majority of uni students.

If you are not eating healthily, your eyesight (and general health) can suffer even if your reading and viewing habits did not change.

But this is all getting pretty OT, so maybe we should get back to the Type 054A before we annoy everyone else any further. ;)
 

vesicles

Colonel
OT, but never forget about proper nutrition. I dare say its a safe bet that you did not eat as balanced and healthy a diet in uni as you did when at home with your parents cooking proper meals for you, as is the case with the vast majority of uni students.

If you are not eating healthily, your eyesight (and general health) can suffer even if your reading and viewing habits did not change.

But this is all getting pretty OT, so maybe we should get back to the Type 054A before we annoy everyone else any further. ;)

Plenty people have annoyed me enough over the time with OT stuff. So I see this as me getting back at them...

About meals, I agree that proper nutrition is crucial to eye sights, along with everything else. However, this would not be the case for me since my main diet in college was still my mom's cooking. My mom would cook me 3-4 dishes with huge proportions, complete with various meats and vegetables, on weekends when I went back home (my college was about 90 minutes away from my parents house). Even if I didn't go back home on a certain weekend, which happened more and more often as I got to know more people and party schedule got more hectic :eek:, my parents would bring the food to me. they brought so much food that I could never finish them in a week. So on friday, I would invite my buddies over for a meal. My mom would think I don't like her cooking if I had any left-over... So it was a win-win: my mom's happy because the food was gone and my buddies were happy because they could get fancy meals on a weekly basis. I was doing the right thing :eek: Any way, so my nutrition intake wasn't the reason that my eyesights went bad. Alcohol might also have something to do with it though...

Yes yes, I know. I was spoiled...
 

asif iqbal

Lieutenant General
I believe the next FFG will have the slopped frontal panels like the MILGEM and LCS

More stealth and better VLS that is the Type 054B, mine clearing, under water unmanned vehicles, insertion of special forces and few other technology's should be high on agenda for Type 054B
 

delft

Brigadier
OT, but never forget about proper nutrition. I dare say its a safe bet that you did not eat as balanced and healthy a diet in uni as you did when at home with your parents cooking proper meals for you, as is the case with the vast majority of uni students.

If you are not eating healthily, your eyesight (and general health) can suffer even if your reading and viewing habits did not change.

But this is all getting pretty OT, so maybe we should get back to the Type 054A before we annoy everyone else any further. ;)
Indeed OT.
I ate half of the days in the year in a good student restaurant ( and it was cheap, and I knew a lot of people there and found there my wife ) and on the other days I cooked for myself and, as I'm a good cook, I ate proper meals very nearly every day of the year.
 

anticom

New Member
Registered Member
I believe the next FFG will have the slopped frontal panels like the MILGEM and LCS

More stealth and better VLS that is the Type 054B, mine clearing, under water unmanned vehicles, insertion of special forces and few other technology's should be high on agenda for Type 054B

I don't see why PLAN needs more new frigates right now or for the next 10 years.
By 2015 PLAN will have operational 2 054 + 16 054A + 2 054A (building right now at HD)
Total 20 frigates. Enough for 5 squadrons of 4 ships each for each Destroyer Flotilla (DF) except for the 10th DF at Lushun which might be used for litoral defence and/or training purposes only. In that case, a few or all of the 053H3 for the 10th will be sufficient.
I think it would be more wise to concentrate on building more destroyers (heavy frigates really) like 052D or even E, to replace all the older generation destroyers of the 5 first line flotillas.
 

Jeff Head

General
Registered Member
I don't see why PLAN needs more new frigates right now or for the next 10 years.
By 2015 PLAN will have operational 2 054 + 16 054A + 2 054A (building right now at HD)

Total 20 frigates. Enough for 5 squadrons of 4 ships each for each Destroyer Flotilla (DF) except for the 10th DF at Lushun which might be used for litoral defence and/or training purposes only. In that case, a few or all of the 053H3 for the 10th will be sufficient.

I think it would be more wise to concentrate on building more destroyers (heavy frigates really) like 052D or even E, to replace all the older generation destroyers of the 5 first line flotillas.
Actually, I think there will be a total of 20 Type 054A FFGs. As of April 28, 2013, the 17th had been launched, two more are building, and I believe there is at least one more planned.

So that will be 2 Type 054s + 20 Type 054As = 22 modern FFGs.

These Type 054A FFGs are better than the LUDA class DDGs, and most believe there is going to be a follow-on class of Type 054B FFGs...probably 14-18 of them coming online in the 2020s. That would make a total of 36 modern FFGs in the 2020s.

I expect the PLAN will move forward with the four Sov DDGs, the two Type 052B DDGs, the two Type 051C DDGs, the six Type 052C DDGs, and then add another eight Type 052D DDGs (if not more) coming online in the 2020s. That will be a total of 22-26 modern DDGs in the 2020s.

A very impressive total number...and this does not include what will probably amount to at least forty Type 053 OPVs which will be replacing so many older FFGs in service.

So, if you include the Type 053s, that means in the 2020s we are going to see 100 modern major surface combatants in the PLAN (not including carriers, LPDs, LSTs, replenishment ships, and other logistical or amphibious vessels).

In the 2020s I expect the PLAN will have 6-8 SSBNs and probably 12 SSNs of the Type 093 and Type 095 variety...and simply a whole bunch of SSKs (Song, Kilo, Yuan - maybe 12 of each of those too, or 36 total).

That will be an impressive, and very capable modern fleet.
 
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