Ah my apologies, that was a mid phrasing on my part. I meant "minimum" as in the lowest possible confirmed max range... Which come to think of it sounds a bit self defeating.
054/A FFG Thread II
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Ah my apologies, that was a mid phrasing on my part. I meant "minimum" as in the lowest possible confirmed max range... Which come to think of it sounds a bit self defeating.
timepass
Brigadier
Negative, since we have several options available from China in terms of upgraded F-22p/054s/054As etc & without any strings attached.
OPV - 7 (Perry Class) took 5 years to join PN with several strings attached & that also after fully striped hence chances for acquiring further is NIL.
I think china has surpassed russia in area of missile technology and sensor as demonstrated by 2 mid course interception using kinetic impact conducted rather than proximity fuse which russia missile often used. Russia so far has not shown its capable of conducting such sophisticated test. Even the quad pack shitl VLS has long demonstrated on 054A while russia one will always remain just a concept and paperwork. Not even prototype stage. The fact, China has not make any new order for Russia SAM since S-300 PMU2 more or less has shown, how much progress China has made in areas of SAM. The rumour of China interested in Russia S-400 so far remained rumour and is more or less liked a Su-35 saga. All made up by Russian media.
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Pakistan was designated a major non-NATO ally to the US back in 2003 or 2004. The first OHP they received was transferred to them under that arrangement and Pakistan requested $65 million in refurbishment and received it, and the 1st OHP was transferred in 2010.
At the time this deal was made, there was an understanding that up to five more could be transferred. That is the talk I am referring to and I have read nothing where that deal has been cancelled. With that Major non-NATO ally designation, they can get older US equipment that is decommissioned and placed in reserve very cheaply. I believe it is also how they received the newer F-16s they have.
Perhaps at this point it is not likely, but there is talk of it on both sides in accordance with what already has happened and the plan for the US to decommission several OHPs here in 2013. Not everyone in Pakistan is completey adverse to the US and that type of feeling (and differences) extends into government just like it does throughout Pakistan society.
So, we shall wait and see what happens. For the ASW role they are not likely to get a better platform.
Right now, outside the US government, here are the operators of the Perry class frigates:
- Australia (Adelaide class) Purchased six frigates. Two were license built in Australia. Four of the ships were significantly modernixed with the addition of an eight-cell Mk 41 VLS capable of firing32 Evolved Sea Sparrow (ESSM) missiles or the Standard Missile SM-2, plus upgraded radars and sonars. The other two ships were decommissioned.
- Bahrain: One vessel purchased in 1996 and re-christened Sabha.
- Egypt: Four frigates transferred from the U.S. Navy.
- Pakistan: The former USS McInerney transferred to Pakistani Navy in August 2010, options held open for up to five more.
- Poland: Two frigates were transferred in 2002 and 2003.
- Republic of China (Taiwan Cheng Kung class): All eight were licensed built in Taiwan. All are carrying Tawian's four HF-2 and four HF-3 supersonic AShM. Also added Bofors 40 mm/L70 guns for both surface and anti-air use. In November 2012 it was announced the U.S. government will sell Taiwan two more Perry-class frigates to be retrofitted and delivered in 2015.
- Spain (Spanish Santa Maria class): All six of these frigates were license built in Spain.
- Turkey (Turkish G class): Eight Perry-class frigates have been transferred to the Turkish Navy. All have undergone extensive modernization and they are now known as the Turkish G Class frigates. The Turkish added Mk-41 Vertical Launch System capable of launching Evolved Sea Sparrow missiles and the longer-range SM-1 missiles. All received advanced digital fire control systems and new Turkish-made sonars.
- Thailand: Two f Perry-class frigates are allocated by the US government to the Royal Thai Navy, subject to acceptance by the Thai government.
This makes the Perry Class frigates the most widely exported and accepted frigate-sized vessels in the last 50 years (and probably since after World War II after the US gave away so many destroyer and destroyer escort vessels) with up to 45 vessels serving outside the US in nine other nations. Clearly, they are a good design and desired by these other fleets to provide strong ASW capabilities...but also anti-air and anti-surface capabilities if desired.
In fact, because of these facts, I may do an entire seprate thread on the Perry Class Frigates next week under the World Armed Forces section of SD.
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Mysterre
Banned Idiot
Either you're making stuff up or you are posting breaking news. Please provide a link to where it is claimed that a "quad pack shitl VLS" has "long" been demonstrated on the 054A. Your implication is in fact that this happened quite a while back. You must know something other people don't know. Go ahead and share it with us.
You also imply that since Chinese interest in the S-400 is so far just a "rumour", that China must have something better. Which missile is this, may I ask? Or are we going to get one rumour to replace another rumour?
Sorry for the mix up of HQ-16 on Type054A. What I mean is Russia has not demonstrated VLS shitl which they claimed is the origin of HQ-16.
As for your S-400, it is no where near the capabilites of KSAT-1 missile which is exoatmospheric kinetic kill vehicle(KVV), hundred of km atitude interception plus requiring a 100% accuracy to achieve the kill since that is no warhead. This technique and technology is only demonstrated by USA and China and far more advanced as stated above explanation.
Just give an example, making a 4.5th gen fighter is easier or making a 5th gen fighter is more difficult? If someone demonstrated capable of making a 5th gen fighter, does he needs to prove he is capable of making a 4.5th gen fighter?
Rumour is China S-400 equivalent is HQ-19, so far I have not seen any official PLA request for buying of Russia S-400 or even mention interest of acquiring it. If you have any info, please share with us.
Mysterre
Banned Idiot
Exoatmospheric ASAT missiles and SAM's are clearly not identical in either sensor technology or flight characteristics. You might as well claim that since China can make DF-31A's, it must obviously be able to make S-400-type missiles. And just because you can repurpose SAM's to attack ballistic missiles does not mean you can repurpose ASAT missiles to attack fighters or cruise missiles. I would love to see someone claim that this "KSAT-1" could down a maneuvering ASCM sea-skimming at 10m altitude.
As for the S-400 sale, it's definitely just a rumor. As for the "HQ-19", it is also definitely just a rumor. So what is the only fact that we have here? China currently does not have an S-400-type missile, while Russia does. Prove me wrong.
As for the Shtil, clearly the HQ-16 is derived from the Shtil based on PLAN experiences with it on the 052B's. The appearance of both missiles is (nearly) identical. Both missiles are guided by the Orekh illuminator or a copy of it. To deny this ancestry is to fly in the face of reason. BTW, in case you didn't know the Shtil HAS a VLS version. So even your correction of your earlier claim does not seem to match reality.
The S-400 system consists of several different missles, it is not a single missle. The 40N6 is not designed for 10m ASCM. Your statement is definitly wrong.
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antiterror13
Brigadier
I am interested to read more regarding your claim of quad pack HQ-16 ... please provide a link
asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
Good FFG not doubt about it, and USS Stark took 2 Exocets and still didn't sink, on the other hand HMS Sheffield was taken out during Falkllands and Exocet caused hell to the Royal Navy, OHP is very robust and solid FFG
However unfortunately on this occasion there will be no more OHP for Pakistan, we got one and that's it, there was talk of Turkey to modernise the Pakistan Perrys with Genesis but It was too costly and China seemed like a better option with regards to the price and technology on offer
Here's the latest news from 112th congress session which states that two more will go to Turkey and Mexico as gift
Turkey gets the The USS Thach and USS Halyburton