You seem not to be able to comprehend that doing it this way tends to increase cost, just like the stupid designers of the F-35 thought they could do it this way and ended up wasting billions of dollars because concurrency.
052C/052D Class Destroyers
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FriedRiceNSpice
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And how is the struggles of incompetent and inefficient LM staffed with 2nd rate engineers and 3rd rate project managers relevant to Chinese naval engineering?
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I guess you also seem not to be able to comprehend that any changes made based on already acted-on assumptions that later turned out to be false cost extra money, sometimes lots of extra money depending on how many downstream systems that also get impacted. This applies to the construction of any kind of complex object and does not discriminate between planes or ships, or between Lockheed Martin or CSSC. Fact is there was no reason to implement any kind of accelerated and risky building schedule like (e.g. "concurrency") for CSSC given there was no reward to build it as fast as possible. Building a first-in-class ship this way is even more of a stupid risk to take.
FriedRiceNSpice
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I guess you also seem not to be able to comprehend how modern engineering works, not just for planes and ships but for any sufficiently complex engineering project.
By your logic, no J-20 should have been produced until WS-15 was ready and the latest iteration of the J-20 radar was in production. Do you think it's a bigger engineering challenge to change engines for an aircraft or to change radar panels and software for a ship?
You seem to not be able to comprehend that the J-20 was always designed with the WS-15 in mind; that was always the end goal engine. OTOH you or anyone else has provided literally ZERO evidence that a GaN-based radar for the 055 ever existed or was ever the end goal for the original 055 design.
You also seem to not be able to comprehend that it would never just be a simple change change of radar panels and software, but also a change in computing power needed, a change in operating and maintenance control panels, a change in power requirements, and a change in cooling requirements, all of which involve changes in hardware, software, and shipboard space. I have already stated this over in the 055 thread, but it looks like you conveniently didn't read it.
FriedRiceNSpice
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If you think the 055 was not designed with GaN in mind then we can only agree to disagree. As this is a 052D thread let's just leave it at that.
As I mentioned in a previous post, regardless of whether the first or first several 055s actually carry GaA or GaN onboard, it would be designed with the power generation and cooling needs for fitting on GaN in mind.
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Whale Shark 6000 or Type-052DE seems to be offered to Indonesia with price tag of 750 M USD. Would be great if it includes the weapons (e.g HHQ-9, YJ-62 and YJ-18). Bit more expensive compared to Italian offer of Garibaldi (390 M USD, refurbishment and training) But i think it's fair for the warship in its class, compared to US DDG-51 or their Japanese sibling which cost some 1-2 B USD.
Lembaga Keris is one of our thinktank.. as far as procurement news, they're reliable.
Lembaga Keris is one of our thinktank.. as far as procurement news, they're reliable.
To be fair a lot of them go to portable chargers…
What never ceases to amaze me in the few years of following OSINT, forum discussions and the likes, is how many people online exist who think they're smarter than entire teams of top of the line engineers.
The difference is that ships due to their very nature can be heavily modified, especially if the class is still being built too. Meaning such changes can be implemented from the very start on later ships. One only has to look at the ill fated Zumwalt Class for an example. With the first two ships undergoing extensive refit including in depth hull modifications after launch.
I don't see a concrete reason why the Type 052Ds couldn't have received upgrades to their radar and other systems abroad over time, especially with later ships that came off the line.
Fact of the matter is that there isn't enough information available to 100% confirm or deny this. However if we look at the already mentioned Zumwalts or the third flight of Arleigh-Burkes, a precedent has been set for such modifications.