youngtomous
Junior Member
Base on you ,PLAN need 7 052D.JN 6# and DL 1# all turn out .So is it means 052D will stop built ?
052C/052D Class Destroyers
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joshuatree
Captain
For both, the relations with India and SK will have to be considered respectively, especially if China wants to prevent the containment theory.
Can always have 2x 052Cs transfer from ESF to NSF so there's 2x 052Cs and 2x 052Ds for both those fleets.
Ah ! thanks for info and make sense this balances the 2 SSF Destr Flot because other to Zhanjiang use 3 old Luda.
Equation
Lieutenant General
This is a nice article that reflects over the scale of the last decade (and forthcoming decade's) surface combatant construction for PLAN.
China’s Remarkable Naval Surface Combatant Modernization
Jul 11, 2014 by Shahryar Pasandideh
China’s growing naval power has become a frequent topic of discussion in recent years as Beijing has increasingly asserted itself in the maritime realm. While coverage of China’s aircraft carriers(s), submarines, and anti-ship ballistic missiles is frequent, the rapid modernization of the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) surface naval vessels is not. This relative dearth of coverage is unfortunate as it results in the overlooking of a key, if not the most important, facet of China’s remarkable naval modernization.
The PLAN entered the twenty-first century with under a dozen warships that could be considered modern – most of them barely deserving that designation. The rest of the PLAN’s surface combatant force was composed of many dozens of destroyers and frigates, based mainly on 1960s-1970s era Soviet technology with a smattering of 1980s-vintage British, Italian, and French technologies added to update the designs. In other words, even those who claimed that China was an emerging great power couldn’t claim that it had a navy worthy of such a power.
At the start of the century the PLAN was in the early stages of what has turned into an extensive modernization effort. This effort began with the 1990s emergence of the two 052B Luhu-class, two Russian Sovremenny-class, and the indigenous 051B Luhai-class. Other than the Russian Sovremenny-class, these destroyers were of Chinese production and design. At the same time, the improved Type 053H3 Jiangwei II-class frigates program produced eight somewhat modern frigates. These classes formed the small core of an emerging modern navy.
Between 2000 and 2004, the only new surface naval combatant added to the PLAN were two of the eight Type 053H3 class frigates already mentioned. Beginning in 2004, the PLAN’s surface combatant modernization began speeding up. The PLAN has commissioned no less than 44 new surface naval combatants between 2004 and the time of this writing. This number only includes destroyers, frigates, and corvettes, and does not factor in the large acquisitions of submarines, patrol vessels, coast guard vessels operated by other government agencies, or amphibious transport vessels. It also does not include ships currently undergoing sea trials, of which there are six, the dozen plus ships in various phases of construction, or the dozens of vessels on order books. The bulk of these ships have been general purpose multi-role frigates and, more recently, patrol corvettes. At the same time, the PLAN has been building large numbers of air defence destroyers. The table below presents the number of surface combatants commissioned during this period.
The bulk of the PLAN’s modern surface combatants are composed of four classes: two related destroyer classes, one frigate class, and one corvette class. The PLANs main modern destroyers are the six 052C Luyang II-class. Six 052C destroyers have been produced with two commissioned in 2005 and the rest since 2013. These destroyers, the first advanced and indigenous air warfare destroyer China has produced, constitute the core of China’s destroyer fleet. China has evolved the 052C into the more advanced 052D air warfare destroyer.
The 052D deserves particular attention as it demonstrates China’s intent to produce large numbers of high end (and expensive) vessels instead of building only less expensive multi-role frigates. The first 052D was completed in 2012. One 052D is in service, one is undergoing sea trials, and two are in the late stages of production. A further four vessels are under varying stages of construction and an additional four are reported to be on order. In other words, since 2010, China has begun producing no less than 16 new air-warfare destroyers. Such a production schedule is only matched by the United States.
The ‘work-horse’ of the PLAN is the Type 054A frigate. Developed from the Type 054 frigate, of which two were built in 2003, the PLAN has built and/or commissioned nineteen 054As since 2006. These vessels are less advanced and capable than the Type 052C/D destroyers, but are also much cheaper. Since 2010, the PLAN has commissioned no less than sixteen 054As, with four more in the late stages of construction. At the same time, the 054As ‘work-horse’ role is being reduced by the introduction of the new 056-class corvette. The 056 is less capable and smaller (and much cheaper) than the Type 054As, but is suited to patrolling the South and East China Seas, freeing up the 054As for deployments further from China, such as the anti-piracy patrol off Somalia. As such, these small, modest vessels are extremely important to the PLAN’s future.
With the Type 056, the PLAN has the distinction of being the only country currently mass-producing (i.e. mass parallel producing, not serially producing) a large naval vessel. The number of Type 056 corvettes to be built is unclear, but open source estimates suggest the total figure may be well over thirty vessels in the short term, with the total likely of over fifty vessels. While such numbers are staggering, even more awesome is that fact that despite the first Type 056 being completed only in 2012, the PLAN has already commissioned no less than thirteen Type 056 corvettes. In addition, three 056s are undergoing sea trials and over five are in varying stages of production. In other words, by the end of 2014 the PLAN is likely to have commissioned just over twenty Type 056 corvettes. No country in the world comes close to matching such a production schedule.
In addition to the mentioned vessel classes, work is underway on at least two new classes. The first, the Type 055 destroyer, is a newly designed large destroyer, a vessel substantially larger than the already large Type 052C/D destroyers. The Type 055s will carry advanced air defence systems and large numbers of missiles in a vertical launch system. They will likely be the escort vessels for Chinese aircraft carriers. In addition, in an attempt to improve its anti-submarine warfare capabilities, China is believed to be beginning work on the new Type 054B class frigate. An evolution of the Type 054A, the 054B will likely take the place of the Type 054A at busy Chinese shipyards. In addition, the Type 056 corvette is being developed into a new anti-submarine variant. A few such vessels have already been constructed (they are included in the Type 056 production figures).
The Chinese navy has made remarkable progress in terms of submarines, aircraft carriers, and anti-ship ballistic missiles in the last decade and a half. At the same time, the PLAN has undergone an equally rapid and substantial modernization of its surface naval vessels. Indeed, few countries come anywhere close to the scale and substance of China’s surface combatant modernization. Overlooking these developments has consequences for the understanding of China’s naval trajectory.
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Sometimes I forget just the sheer scale of the change that PLAN has undergone since 2000. The PLAN's rate (and more importantly, duration) of commissioning of new surface combatants is only really matched by the USN. Difference is, the USN's new comissions replace older ships -- their major surface combatant number isn't changing that much, and in terms of "generational" capability the increase is an evolutionary one. But for PLAN, every new commission is a much bigger increase in capability compared to an older warship it replaces.
This article is one of the few western ones which adequately describes the change in words (despite a few mistakes with dates and numbers). Assuming nothing untoward happens with the Chinese economy, the PLAN of 2030 will be almost unrecognizable to the PLAN of 2000, and there aren't many navies in recent years that can attest to that kind of change at that kind of speed.
China’s Remarkable Naval Surface Combatant Modernization
Jul 11, 2014 by Shahryar Pasandideh
China’s growing naval power has become a frequent topic of discussion in recent years as Beijing has increasingly asserted itself in the maritime realm. While coverage of China’s aircraft carriers(s), submarines, and anti-ship ballistic missiles is frequent, the rapid modernization of the People’s Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) surface naval vessels is not. This relative dearth of coverage is unfortunate as it results in the overlooking of a key, if not the most important, facet of China’s remarkable naval modernization.
The PLAN entered the twenty-first century with under a dozen warships that could be considered modern – most of them barely deserving that designation. The rest of the PLAN’s surface combatant force was composed of many dozens of destroyers and frigates, based mainly on 1960s-1970s era Soviet technology with a smattering of 1980s-vintage British, Italian, and French technologies added to update the designs. In other words, even those who claimed that China was an emerging great power couldn’t claim that it had a navy worthy of such a power.
At the start of the century the PLAN was in the early stages of what has turned into an extensive modernization effort. This effort began with the 1990s emergence of the two 052B Luhu-class, two Russian Sovremenny-class, and the indigenous 051B Luhai-class. Other than the Russian Sovremenny-class, these destroyers were of Chinese production and design. At the same time, the improved Type 053H3 Jiangwei II-class frigates program produced eight somewhat modern frigates. These classes formed the small core of an emerging modern navy.
Between 2000 and 2004, the only new surface naval combatant added to the PLAN were two of the eight Type 053H3 class frigates already mentioned. Beginning in 2004, the PLAN’s surface combatant modernization began speeding up. The PLAN has commissioned no less than 44 new surface naval combatants between 2004 and the time of this writing. This number only includes destroyers, frigates, and corvettes, and does not factor in the large acquisitions of submarines, patrol vessels, coast guard vessels operated by other government agencies, or amphibious transport vessels. It also does not include ships currently undergoing sea trials, of which there are six, the dozen plus ships in various phases of construction, or the dozens of vessels on order books. The bulk of these ships have been general purpose multi-role frigates and, more recently, patrol corvettes. At the same time, the PLAN has been building large numbers of air defence destroyers. The table below presents the number of surface combatants commissioned during this period.
The bulk of the PLAN’s modern surface combatants are composed of four classes: two related destroyer classes, one frigate class, and one corvette class. The PLANs main modern destroyers are the six 052C Luyang II-class. Six 052C destroyers have been produced with two commissioned in 2005 and the rest since 2013. These destroyers, the first advanced and indigenous air warfare destroyer China has produced, constitute the core of China’s destroyer fleet. China has evolved the 052C into the more advanced 052D air warfare destroyer.
The 052D deserves particular attention as it demonstrates China’s intent to produce large numbers of high end (and expensive) vessels instead of building only less expensive multi-role frigates. The first 052D was completed in 2012. One 052D is in service, one is undergoing sea trials, and two are in the late stages of production. A further four vessels are under varying stages of construction and an additional four are reported to be on order. In other words, since 2010, China has begun producing no less than 16 new air-warfare destroyers. Such a production schedule is only matched by the United States.
The ‘work-horse’ of the PLAN is the Type 054A frigate. Developed from the Type 054 frigate, of which two were built in 2003, the PLAN has built and/or commissioned nineteen 054As since 2006. These vessels are less advanced and capable than the Type 052C/D destroyers, but are also much cheaper. Since 2010, the PLAN has commissioned no less than sixteen 054As, with four more in the late stages of construction. At the same time, the 054As ‘work-horse’ role is being reduced by the introduction of the new 056-class corvette. The 056 is less capable and smaller (and much cheaper) than the Type 054As, but is suited to patrolling the South and East China Seas, freeing up the 054As for deployments further from China, such as the anti-piracy patrol off Somalia. As such, these small, modest vessels are extremely important to the PLAN’s future.
With the Type 056, the PLAN has the distinction of being the only country currently mass-producing (i.e. mass parallel producing, not serially producing) a large naval vessel. The number of Type 056 corvettes to be built is unclear, but open source estimates suggest the total figure may be well over thirty vessels in the short term, with the total likely of over fifty vessels. While such numbers are staggering, even more awesome is that fact that despite the first Type 056 being completed only in 2012, the PLAN has already commissioned no less than thirteen Type 056 corvettes. In addition, three 056s are undergoing sea trials and over five are in varying stages of production. In other words, by the end of 2014 the PLAN is likely to have commissioned just over twenty Type 056 corvettes. No country in the world comes close to matching such a production schedule.
In addition to the mentioned vessel classes, work is underway on at least two new classes. The first, the Type 055 destroyer, is a newly designed large destroyer, a vessel substantially larger than the already large Type 052C/D destroyers. The Type 055s will carry advanced air defence systems and large numbers of missiles in a vertical launch system. They will likely be the escort vessels for Chinese aircraft carriers. In addition, in an attempt to improve its anti-submarine warfare capabilities, China is believed to be beginning work on the new Type 054B class frigate. An evolution of the Type 054A, the 054B will likely take the place of the Type 054A at busy Chinese shipyards. In addition, the Type 056 corvette is being developed into a new anti-submarine variant. A few such vessels have already been constructed (they are included in the Type 056 production figures).
The Chinese navy has made remarkable progress in terms of submarines, aircraft carriers, and anti-ship ballistic missiles in the last decade and a half. At the same time, the PLAN has undergone an equally rapid and substantial modernization of its surface naval vessels. Indeed, few countries come anywhere close to the scale and substance of China’s surface combatant modernization. Overlooking these developments has consequences for the understanding of China’s naval trajectory.
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Sometimes I forget just the sheer scale of the change that PLAN has undergone since 2000. The PLAN's rate (and more importantly, duration) of commissioning of new surface combatants is only really matched by the USN. Difference is, the USN's new comissions replace older ships -- their major surface combatant number isn't changing that much, and in terms of "generational" capability the increase is an evolutionary one. But for PLAN, every new commission is a much bigger increase in capability compared to an older warship it replaces.
This article is one of the few western ones which adequately describes the change in words (despite a few mistakes with dates and numbers). Assuming nothing untoward happens with the Chinese economy, the PLAN of 2030 will be almost unrecognizable to the PLAN of 2000, and there aren't many navies in recent years that can attest to that kind of change at that kind of speed.
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I think the person responsible for this chart may have confused the rows.
Indeeed.
steve_rolfe
Junior Member
In reference to the article posted above.
Yes, it does highlight the remarkable rise of the Chinese Navy this century........particularly as one remembers that 'JN' shipyard, was out of action for a few years at the latter half of the last decade, hence no new Destroyers!
True the writer of article, got their rows mixed up......in fact its quite a mess......but we members here know which row in table applies to which class of warship and its respective numbers.
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asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
So really it's looks like possibly out of the 53 commissioned ships over the last 10 years 53% were commissioned only in the last 1-2 years
I count 25 between 2004 and 2012 (8 years) and 28 in 2013 and 2014 (2 years)
That's some really weird statistics so many in just 1-2 years?? What's the reason for that I think there was a bottle neck effect and then all of a sudden they cleared the back log and got the ships commissioned almost simultaneously while they sat around launched for a long time
Which is why probably the production is slowed recently
I count 25 between 2004 and 2012 (8 years) and 28 in 2013 and 2014 (2 years)
That's some really weird statistics so many in just 1-2 years?? What's the reason for that I think there was a bottle neck effect and then all of a sudden they cleared the back log and got the ships commissioned almost simultaneously while they sat around launched for a long time
Which is why probably the production is slowed recently
Well I'd say if you try to do this kind of analysis for any other (and by any I really mean any) industry in China after 2000....you'll get similar results--staggering remarkable progress in both quantity and quality.
A very good example will be the air force. In 2000 PLAAF only have a few dozen Su27s, and they're the original old Su27s with no advanced avionics upgrades. No AWACS, limited air-refuelling capabilities, only a few IL76s, no carrier based fighters, no domestic engines etc etc
Today the PLAAF has the largest fourth-generation fighter force outside the US.
Its J10Bs are supposedly on par with some of the best 4.5 gens out there. Its Flanker family has grown in both number and variants. Its engines are powering hundreds of J11B series fighters and may power the J10 in the future. It now has three different types of AWACS and has even exported them to Pakistan. It has two 5 gen fighters in development concurrently. This list can go on and on and on.
In 2000 China's trains are still mostly outdated models from the 50s and 60s, and speed is only less than 100km/h, today China has the longest and fastest growing high-speed rail network in the world at over 10,000 km and more than 20 types of high speed trains.
In space, China has gone from sending its first Taikonaut to space to building her own Space Station, which will probably be the ONLY one in space after the current ISS retires in 2020; It has orbited and landed on the Moon, and very soon a return mission will commence. It has developed at least 3 types of new rockets. It has built a regional guiding and positioning system--the Compass system--which will expand into a global one rivaling the GPS and Glonass.
This kind of list can go on for really long for each industry--and the list of industries experiencing substantial growth can go on for really long as well.
A very good example will be the air force. In 2000 PLAAF only have a few dozen Su27s, and they're the original old Su27s with no advanced avionics upgrades. No AWACS, limited air-refuelling capabilities, only a few IL76s, no carrier based fighters, no domestic engines etc etc
Today the PLAAF has the largest fourth-generation fighter force outside the US.
Its J10Bs are supposedly on par with some of the best 4.5 gens out there. Its Flanker family has grown in both number and variants. Its engines are powering hundreds of J11B series fighters and may power the J10 in the future. It now has three different types of AWACS and has even exported them to Pakistan. It has two 5 gen fighters in development concurrently. This list can go on and on and on.
In 2000 China's trains are still mostly outdated models from the 50s and 60s, and speed is only less than 100km/h, today China has the longest and fastest growing high-speed rail network in the world at over 10,000 km and more than 20 types of high speed trains.
In space, China has gone from sending its first Taikonaut to space to building her own Space Station, which will probably be the ONLY one in space after the current ISS retires in 2020; It has orbited and landed on the Moon, and very soon a return mission will commence. It has developed at least 3 types of new rockets. It has built a regional guiding and positioning system--the Compass system--which will expand into a global one rivaling the GPS and Glonass.
This kind of list can go on for really long for each industry--and the list of industries experiencing substantial growth can go on for really long as well.