052C/052D Class Destroyers

type055

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The real issue of 052D is not its armament, but seaworthiness, range and living condition. It is pretty exposed in the operation of anti-pirate in gulf of Aden. Fairly speaking in the current generation of PLAN surface combatant(056/A, 054A, 052D, 055) 052D has the worst living condition. It is said that 055 has fairly same crew number(about 300) with 052D(about 280) but with twice the tonnage so it has the best seaworthiness, range and living condition.
关键是,如果中国海军目前的角色是在未来可能的西太平洋情景中与美国海军作战,那么目前对 052D 的这种限制是完全可以的。但是,如果解放军未来的目标是成为真正的全球海军,052D还远远不够,实际上054A也不够。为了这个目标,中国海军需要一艘 9000 吨级的驱逐舰或更多的 055,这实际上是可行的,以及一艘 6000-7000 吨级的护卫舰。
The real issue of 052D is not its armament, but seaworthiness, range and living condition. It is pretty exposed in the operation of anti-pirate in gulf of Aden. Fairly speaking in the current generation of PLAN surface combatant(056/A, 054A, 052D, 055) 052D has the worst living condition. It is said that 055 has fairly same crew number(about 300) with 052D(about 280) but with twice the tonnage so it has the best seaworthiness, range and living condition.
The point is, if PLAN's current role it to combat USN in a possile future west pacific scenario, it is completely OK for this kind of constraints currently on 052D. However, if PLAN's future goal is to become a real global navy, 052D is not nearly enough, in fact 054A would not be enough too. For this goal, PLAN need a 9000 tonne destroyer or just more 055, which is actually doable, and a 6000-7000 tonne frigate.
052D is a very comfortable ship. For soldiers, the ship has a laundry room, drying room, gym, recreation room, etc. Chinese state media has also photographed the interior of 052D

 

Awwkus

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Genuinely curious: Since they are so similar in capability, why build more 052DLs when you can just build 055s? If we worry about having really big targets, how about spamming both 055s and 056s?
 

sndef888

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Genuinely curious: Since they are so similar in capability, why build more 052DLs when you can just build 055s? If we worry about having really big targets, how about spamming both 055s and 056s?
I'd guess the PLA wants numbers. 055 is quite a bit more expensive. Even if the 055 is more capable, 2 052DLs will be able to cover more area, be more survivable in case an enemy missile gets a lucky hit, be more available for deployment due to maintenance etc

By the way, does anyone know how many shells the 052D and 055 can carry for their main gun?
 
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FairAndUnbiased

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Genuinely curious: Since they are so similar in capability, why build more 052DLs when you can just build 055s? If we worry about having really big targets, how about spamming both 055s and 056s?
052DL is much cheaper due to smaller size and engine: they use mixed diesel + gas turbine vs all gas turbine on the 055. Meanwhile sometimes you just don't need the magazine depth or just numbers, you need presence but with something serious.

2x 052D can fit this requirement better than a 055+056.
 

AndrewS

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052DL is much cheaper due to smaller size and engine: they use mixed diesel + gas turbine vs all gas turbine on the 055. Meanwhile sometimes you just don't need the magazine depth or just numbers, you need presence but with something serious.

2x 052D can fit this requirement better than a 055+056.

If you look at the carrier group diagram from Modern Ships, we can see a number of Type-052s acting as radar pickets along the threat axis. Diagrams of US carrier groups also have radar pickets on the threat axis.

For radar pickets, what matters is the radar on the ship, not a very large number of missiles
 

ACuriousPLAFan

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Is it possible sometime in the near future for the PLAN to upgrade their 6 Type 052C destroyers in order for them to achieve the same/similar level of technological advancement and offensive plus defensive capabilities as the Type 052D destroyers, older 1st batch at the very least?

Such as universal VLS cells, more advanced radar systems and fire control systems, etc.
 

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Tam

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Is it possible sometime in the near future for the PLAN to upgrade their 6 Type 052C destroyers in order for them to achieve the same/similar level of technological advancement and offensive plus defensive capabilities as the Type 052D destroyers, older 1st batch at the very least?

Such as universal VLS cells, more advanced radar systems and fire control systems, etc.

Logically they might. These ships might already have been designed for future upgrades in mind. I have ideas of how I may do it myself if I were in PLAN's place.

According to my own ideas:

The front circular VLS can be changed to the U-VLS, to be loaded with the latest version of HHQ-9. However on the rear area, the slanted antiship missile canister layout is retained but instead of the YJ-62, they are using the YJ-12 instead. Using the 7 meter missle requirement U-VLS, we might be able to use the YU-8 ASROC and quad pack SAM, but not the YJ-18, which is why we use the YJ-12 instead as the YJ-62 replacement.

The four main radar panels are overhauled, replacing the old modules with the current ones used in the latest 052D.

The IFF systems are changed to the bar arrays you see placed on top of the 052D's bridge.

The ESM antenna mast is changed to the 052D standard.

The Type 517 VHF array changed to the Type 520 'fly swatter' array.

Main gun and the two Type 730 CIWs are retained. So we can save our Yuan and get the ships out to service faster.

Add a VDS for the ASW.

052C already has a minor update installed where two ESM omnidirectional arrays were switched from the older design to a newer design found only in the batch 2 052D and 052D extended. Other minor updates include installation of new circular SATCOMs.
 
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