052C/052D Class Destroyers

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Max Demian

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Another thing is that both has the potential to use their SAMs as antiship missiles of convenience. To enable that capability it would only take software addition. If used this manner, the HQ-9 has as much warhead as a YJ-83 with 165kg warhead and that should really hurt. The HQ-16 has 70kg which is no slouch, but there is fewer of them and up against a bigger hull. As the PLAN has not officially confirmed such capability, we can leave these out for now.
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I don’t think it is as simple as just a software patch.
1. We don’t even know if the guidance system is programmable or if it’s all ASIC.
2. The proximity fuse is ill suited against surface ships. The frag warhead can damage electronics and kill sailors on deck, but will not be as damaging as a direct impact weapon. For that they need a contact fuse. Therefore, a hw change.
3. The radar on the missile needs to support surface attack mode. A near stationary target will have different radar echo properties than a moving target (think of doppler). This goes back to 1. I suspect also a radar circuitry upgrade would be necessary since at least some of the processing would be analog.
 
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Tetrach

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The two Type 366-2 units, which are ESM or passive directional finders supporting the Type 366 radar, are two smaller domes near these SATCOMs and also underneath the The 517, but the CG model failed to include these two smaller domes.
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These are not passive directional-finder or ESM. They are copied (like the entire system) from the Mineral system. They are I-band data-link exchange and orientation antennas (DEORdr), iirc called "Lightbuble" in russian or something like that.
 
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Tam

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Tetrach said:
These are not passive directional-finder or ESM. They are copied (like the entire system) from the Mineral system. They are I-band data-link exchange and orientation antennas (DEORdr), iirc called "Lightbuble" in russian or something like that.
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You mean Light Bulb.

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Tam

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Max Demian said:
I don’t think it is as simple as just a software patch.
1. We don’t even know if the guidance system is programmable or if it’s all ASIC.
2. The proximity fuse is ill suited against surface ships. The frag warhead can damage electronics and kill sailors on deck, but will not be as damaging as a direct impact weapon. For that they need a contact fuse. Therefore, a hw change.
3. The radar on the missile needs to support surface attack mode. A near stationary target will have different radar echo properties than a moving target (think of doppler). This goes back to 1. I suspect also a radar circuitry upgrade would be necessary since at least some of the processing would be analog.
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To use ASIC would require a huge volume of missiles built just in order to fab for the customized chips for the application. If you use something generic but programmable, like an FPGA, you can build for a far smaller volume of missiles. Using an FPGA lets you correct bugs in the system using updates.

#2 is sufficient to mission kill a ship if the sensors are knocked out by HE-FRAG.

#3 yes, you should be looking at changes in the amplitude and the doppler.
 
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Tam

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Tetrach said:
These are not passive directional-finder or ESM. They are copied (like the entire system) from the Mineral system. They are I-band data-link exchange and orientation antennas (DEORdr), iirc called "Lightbuble" in russian or something like that.
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Oh yes. The passive finder is in the back of the radar. This is probably the only real picture of the Type 366 without the dome.

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In contrast to the Mineral ME.

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Newly released old image, similar to a previously shared image (in lower resolution). This is possibly Tangshan going on her sea trials.

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Tam

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36th Escort Task Force with 119 Guiyang performing a live fire drill. That's another ship of the 10th DD getting a video after we have recently seen a video with 121 Qiqihar and 122 Tangshan. We have seen the 10th DD transform from the 'Old Man's Home' to a front line fighting force.

 
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