052C/052D Class Destroyers

Since the universal VLS features entirely self-contained cells with no need for a shared plenum, ...
does it really?

(I would've thought like the same what the debater
schenkus
told you)

LOL! now I recalled your video from Thursday at 7:57 PM
... I watched a YouTube video a few years ago where the rear VLS bank of a Ticonderoga launched something like 5 missiles from different modules in the space of literally half a second or less, all sequentially, but all within microseconds of each other. I'll try to find it. ...
how is the search going?
 

Iron Man

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does it really?

(I would've thought like the same what the debater
schenkus
told you)

LOL! now I recalled your video from Thursday at 7:57 PM
how is the search going?
The shared plenum is only required for hot-launched modules like the Mk 41 VLS. If you don't need to share a common bottom, then the bottom can be whatever the hull allows.

As for the multiple VLS launches, I don't remember which video it is, and TBH have not been looking all that hard.
 

schenkus

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The shared plenum is only required for hot-launched modules like the Mk 41 VLS. If you don't need to share a common bottom, then the bottom can be whatever the hull allows.

Does anyone have details about how the cold launch feature is implemented in this VLS ?
Is this a small additional "booster" you put into the bottom of each cell of a cold launched missile, or is this is bigger mechanism that sits below all the cells of a module ?

I have always thought there is a shared cold launch mechanism below the cells, but I might be completely off.
 
I wished my memory was better ... only now I realized I had seen this:
before ... Jun 21, 2017
First time seeing an entire group of 052D VLS modules fully opened.
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Compared with 054A's VLS:
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Iron Man

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Does anyone have details about how the cold launch feature is implemented in this VLS ?
Is this a small additional "booster" you put into the bottom of each cell of a cold launched missile, or is this is bigger mechanism that sits below all the cells of a module ?

I have always thought there is a shared cold launch mechanism below the cells, but I might be completely off.
If it is in fact a universal launcher, then each cell would provide its own gas ejection mechanism, which would sit at the bottom of the cell, just like for land-based cold-launched SAMs like HQ-9 and HQ-16. Again, Mk 41 and Sylver are both hot launch VLS, which means they have to share a common plenum structure. There is no plenum for the UVLS, so the only structural constraint on the bottom is from the hull, not from the launcher itself.
 

Blitzo

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@Bltizo

You've just been vindicated. Henri came to the same conclusions you did. The crane is not a permanent fixture on the ship but is placed ashore.

Yeah, I suspected that must be the case.

Though, much credit of course to Henri for doing the research and finding some very interesting previously unknown documents that definitively proves those suspicions and settles this matter once and for all.
 
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