Jura The idiot
General
would you elaborate?
052C/052D Class Destroyers
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The external sprinkler system is active in that photo.
Exactly, high-pressure water is being spread all over ship's surface for a given duration to wash off radioactive particles. One live use of such system was during the Fukushima disaster, US carrier Ronald Reagan along with several other ships.
szbd
Junior Member
Well, about tracking targets, not only number matters, actually number is not that important as long as you got 3 digits. The important things are distance, rcs, accuracy especially speed accuracy. Otherwise you can say a camera on street tracks 10000 targets.
He's not arguing whether AESA is better than PESA, it's a foregone conclusion that AESA > PESA ceteris paribus. His comment makes this clear; "I have already mentioned all the benefits of AESA over PESA and that all other things being equal, the AESA will be superior."
What is in doubt is whether the overall performance of the combat suite on the 052D is superior to the Burke's; after all, the combat suite combines infinitely more variables besides AESA or PESA. Personally, I'd wager 'yes the 052D's combat suite is comprehensively superior', but it'd only be a wager, not a guarantee. Iron Man's position on this is "we can't be sure if 052D > Burke even if AESA > PESA ceteris parabis", which seems like a perfectly reasonable position to me. Until hard evidence arrives to support either position, it's best to just leave it at that.
szbd
Junior Member
I'm just saying number of target tracking doesn't prove much. But logically aesa should be better than pesa of same size. Because at least pesa loses more energy before sending out the wave. Pesa also inferior to pulse Doppler radar at this point.
vesicles
Colonel
I think what he's saying is that the model of a piece of equipment does not automatically indicate its capabilities. It's a lot of times case-by-case.
The most basic Ferrari won't match top of the line Shelby Cobra, even though Ferrari is widely considered to be superior to Mustang (a poor man's sports car).
Hence the disclaimer ceteris parabis. We don't know the context of the 052D and Burke's radars so we shouldn't be too hasty in our convictions. Like I said, I'd personally wager on the 052D's superiority but I won't export that inclination to someone else because I don't have a single shred of evidence for it. If Iron Man wishes to hold reservations on the 052D's capabilities vis a vis the Burke, it's a completely valid position as of this moment, in the absence of any evidence to support or dissuade his choice.
People need to stop feeling butthurt and shed their massive inferiority complexes that hang on them like a lead weight and do nothing but drive down their IQs to double digit levels. I actually deliberately made the choice to compare a non-Chinese AESA to a non-Chinese PESA to try and avoid the inevitable fanboi butthurt, but it seems that despite all this, Chinese fanbois are still resolutely determined to wring their hands in a melodramatic hyperbolic display of whinage and buttrage.
In any case, maximum number of tracks indeed do not necessarily mean everything, but it certainly is a better proxy for radar capability than any other objective metric, especially as subsequent generations of specific radars tend to focus to achieving greater total tracking capabilities, and companies also tend to report their improved capabilities to the public in terms of more tracks/radar rather than some other metric.
In any case, maximum number of tracks indeed do not necessarily mean everything, but it certainly is a better proxy for radar capability than any other objective metric, especially as subsequent generations of specific radars tend to focus to achieving greater total tracking capabilities, and companies also tend to report their improved capabilities to the public in terms of more tracks/radar rather than some other metric.