Obviously in the structural reinforcement and barrel recoil mechanisms, of which I am not privy to, not being a naval gun expert. As for the weight, it is not hard to find it on the internet. As the previous poster said, 50 tons. Comparing one gun to another gun that is totally different in design to ask about weight savings is comparing apples to oranges.well I asked about specifics of how such a weight saving would be achieved
somehow my more important question got lost (or ignoredand the question has been:
thanks anyway
well I talked about four guns of the same caliber (please don't nitpick about 130 mm vs 5" difference) and of their weight and loading (there are well known trade-offs between 'top weight', 'internal space', 'rate of fire'), and while you may call it comparing apples to bananas, I think PJ-38 is the best of those four guns ASSUMING the post were true about
You're missing the point. When talking about "weight savings" in the context of a muzzle brake vs no muzzle brake, you DON'T compare this gun with a muzzle brake to another gun of entirely different design without a muzzle brake, even in similar calibers, because the various mechanisms involved in gun loading, elevation, and traverse may or may not be in the same locations (some of these may not be topside in some designs, for example). Even worse the level of armoring may be dramatically different from one gun design to another. An apples to apples comparison would be two guns of the same design, except one has a brake and the other doesn't, and then you compare weights.
I think you're missing the point, so now I'll reiterate and you may have the last word here if you want
that's your talking point, but it's not what I mean; what I meant (in the series, inspired by a debater noticing Wednesday at 12:04 PM the muzzle break which I had been unaware of,
You questioned me about the mechanism of weight savings afforded by the presence of a muzzle brake over lack of a muzzle brake and I told you why the H/PJ-38 with a muzzle brake is NOT comparable to other guns without muzzle brakes if you are talking about "weight savings" because these other guns' designs are different. Even if the gun loading/traverse/elevation designs were the exact same but just the weight of the armor was different, these guns instantly become non-comparable unless you know the exact weight of the extra armoring. I don't understand how this is difficult to understand. If you have some other talking point about something else that's your business. I have been talking about this exact point this entire time in response to your original question about muzzle brakes and weight savings.
