re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
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052/052B Class Destroyers
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usaf0314
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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
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asif iqbal
Lieutenant General
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Nice to see a gradual increase in DDG combatents in PLAN, although we have numerous DDG in PLAN really the sophisticated ones we are looking at are the Type 052C and Type 052D which number 6 and 2+ (under construction)
Take a look at JMSDF and South Korea and this situation does not look too good for China, however soon that will change if China can keep pressing ahead with DDG construction
JMSDF in particular has a vast naval fleet with very modern very capable ships not to mention soon to be 4 flat tops
South Korea has 1 Dokdo Class with the 2nd due to start construction soon which will be in service by 2016, Aussies also have 2 flat tops coming online soon not to mention the Indian carriers, Asian waters soon getting very busy
Nice to see a gradual increase in DDG combatents in PLAN, although we have numerous DDG in PLAN really the sophisticated ones we are looking at are the Type 052C and Type 052D which number 6 and 2+ (under construction)
Take a look at JMSDF and South Korea and this situation does not look too good for China, however soon that will change if China can keep pressing ahead with DDG construction
JMSDF in particular has a vast naval fleet with very modern very capable ships not to mention soon to be 4 flat tops
South Korea has 1 Dokdo Class with the 2nd due to start construction soon which will be in service by 2016, Aussies also have 2 flat tops coming online soon not to mention the Indian carriers, Asian waters soon getting very busy
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Well, China's problem is that it has to rely on its own defense industry to develop all the essential technologies for a modern, state-of-the-art DDG. That's why it has taken so long and has fallen behind JMSDF and South Korea in modern DDGs in service. Now that all the subsystems and components have been in place and tested, China has begun serial production of 052C/D. I'm pretty by the end of this decade, China will have caught up with, if not exceeded, the number of modern DDGs in serivice in JMSDF. We've seen what happened similarly to 054A. I expect PLAN will have anywhere between 20-24 DDGs in service, which would include 052C, 052D and 055.
Well, China's problem is that it has to rely on its own defense industry to develop all the essential technologies for a modern, state-of-the-art DDG. That's why it has taken so long and has fallen behind JMSDF and South Korea in modern DDGs in service. Now that all the subsystems and components have been in place and tested, China has begun serial production of 052C/D. I'm pretty by the end of this decade, China will have caught up with, if not exceeded, the number of modern DDGs in serivice in JMSDF. We've seen what happened similarly to 054A. I expect PLAN will have anywhere between 20-24 DDGs in service, which would include 052C, 052D and 055.
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kwaigonegin
Colonel
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Don't forget the 'small' Tigers as well like Vietnam, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Phillipines etc... who are upgrading and enhancing their own navies and air forces as well. At the back of everyone's mind is also the Russian Navy's Red Banner Pacific fleet which no doubt will get newer and major combatants as Russia's GDP is slowly but surely improving after decades of stagnation negative growth. The US 7th Flt is also the biggest in the entire USN and continues to grow faster than any other forward deployed assets.
Like I said many times before the Pacific Rim will be a very very interesting place indeed in the next decade or two. There will be more advanced naval firepower concentrated on a pretty small pond than at anytime in history since man sailed the first boat. I pray if things ever get dicey cooler heads will prevail.
Don't forget the 'small' Tigers as well like Vietnam, Singapore, Indonesia, Malaysia, Phillipines etc... who are upgrading and enhancing their own navies and air forces as well. At the back of everyone's mind is also the Russian Navy's Red Banner Pacific fleet which no doubt will get newer and major combatants as Russia's GDP is slowly but surely improving after decades of stagnation negative growth. The US 7th Flt is also the biggest in the entire USN and continues to grow faster than any other forward deployed assets.
Like I said many times before the Pacific Rim will be a very very interesting place indeed in the next decade or two. There will be more advanced naval firepower concentrated on a pretty small pond than at anytime in history since man sailed the first boat. I pray if things ever get dicey cooler heads will prevail.
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
The small tigers don't have the economic strength to match PLAN developments in a major fashion compared to the Japanese (and South Korea for that matter), however, it wouldn't take long for the PLAN to outnumber the combined JMSDF and ROKN in advanced frontline surface combatants.
The small tigers don't have the economic strength to match PLAN developments in a major fashion compared to the Japanese (and South Korea for that matter), however, it wouldn't take long for the PLAN to outnumber the combined JMSDF and ROKN in advanced frontline surface combatants.
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
So, this totals 37 DDGs (13 of which are AEGIS or AEGIS-like), 33 FFGs, and 5 flattops.
Currently the PLAN has 19 modern DDGs, 8 of which are AEGIS-like, 32 modern FFGs and one CV aircraft carrier.
How quickly do you mean by "it wouldn't take long," for the PLAN to make up that difference in 18 DDGs?
And take into account that, that will be a moving target because both the South Koreans and Japanese are not idle in their naval shipbuilding.
Well, the JMSDF consists of 25 modern DDGs (Ten of which are AEGIS or very strong AEGIS-like DDGs), 23 modern FFGs and soon to number four very modern CVL flattops. The South Korean Navy consists of twelve very modern DDGs (three of which are very strong AEGIS vessels) and ten modern FFGs, and one large flattop LPH.
So, this totals 37 DDGs (13 of which are AEGIS or AEGIS-like), 33 FFGs, and 5 flattops.
Currently the PLAN has 19 modern DDGs, 8 of which are AEGIS-like, 32 modern FFGs and one CV aircraft carrier.
How quickly do you mean by "it wouldn't take long," for the PLAN to make up that difference in 18 DDGs?
And take into account that, that will be a moving target because both the South Koreans and Japanese are not idle in their naval shipbuilding.
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
Chinese shipbuilding capacity is growing not only in sophistication but also in total capacity, so that it wouldn't be surprising to me if the PLAN ever felt the need to do so it could have 19 FFGs and 10 AEGIS-style DDGs ordered and placed in construction simultaneously and continue production at that sustained level as ships are completed.
Chinese shipbuilding capacity is growing not only in sophistication but also in total capacity, so that it wouldn't be surprising to me if the PLAN ever felt the need to do so it could have 19 FFGs and 10 AEGIS-style DDGs ordered and placed in construction simultaneously and continue production at that sustained level as ships are completed.
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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
I am sorry, but I seriously doubt that they either would or could do that. They would have to be able to man them, arm them, and supply them all at once once they were built or the vast majority of them would just sit around idely in port waiting on outfitting and manning.
I can see them building maybe 3 of each a year if they wanted to go into high production of those very sophisticated vessels (meaning six shipyards producing DDGs and FFGs)...but that rate would alarm their neigbors who themselves would then kick into high gear.
I believe that the PLAN will catch up with the combined weight of the Korean and Japanese Navies and make up the difference in the 18 modern DDGs, but I believe it will take them at least a decade to do so. That means building approximately two more per year than those other two nations combined...and that would be aggresive. It may take more on the order of 15-16 years.
But time will tell.
10 DDGs and 19 FFGs building simultaneoulsy? Meaning a total of 29 shipyards building those naval vessels at the same time?
I am sorry, but I seriously doubt that they either would or could do that. They would have to be able to man them, arm them, and supply them all at once once they were built or the vast majority of them would just sit around idely in port waiting on outfitting and manning.
I can see them building maybe 3 of each a year if they wanted to go into high production of those very sophisticated vessels (meaning six shipyards producing DDGs and FFGs)...but that rate would alarm their neigbors who themselves would then kick into high gear.
I believe that the PLAN will catch up with the combined weight of the Korean and Japanese Navies and make up the difference in the 18 modern DDGs, but I believe it will take them at least a decade to do so. That means building approximately two more per year than those other two nations combined...and that would be aggresive. It may take more on the order of 15-16 years.
But time will tell.
timepass
Brigadier
re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer
No that would not be the case....
They don’t need 29 shipyards to achieve that numbers, please the see following capacity of their shipyards who are currently involved in the construction of DDGs & FFGs:
HD....they have 4 construction births adjacent to each other & can construct FFGs simultaneously.
HP....they have 2 halls adjacent to each other & can construct FFGs simultaneously.
JN....they have 3 halls assigned to PLAN & adjacent to each other & can construct DDGs simultaneously.
Keeping in mind the last decades track record (capacity/capability/facilities) of above mention shipyards, they can churn out DDGs/FFGs quite comfortably. Hence, they can reach to the said numbers in 3-4years of time.
If PLAN & Govt wants....
No that would not be the case....
They don’t need 29 shipyards to achieve that numbers, please the see following capacity of their shipyards who are currently involved in the construction of DDGs & FFGs:
HD....they have 4 construction births adjacent to each other & can construct FFGs simultaneously.
HP....they have 2 halls adjacent to each other & can construct FFGs simultaneously.
JN....they have 3 halls assigned to PLAN & adjacent to each other & can construct DDGs simultaneously.
Keeping in mind the last decades track record (capacity/capability/facilities) of above mention shipyards, they can churn out DDGs/FFGs quite comfortably. Hence, they can reach to the said numbers in 3-4years of time.
If PLAN & Govt wants....
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