052/052B Class Destroyers

hmmwv

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

The pictures are getting smaller and blurrier. Someone need to give the camera guy a good slap around to get some sense into him.

The pictures were taking from close to two miles away, on a rolling boat, in bad weather, with very limited window to shoot. I'd like to see you take a better photo in the same conditions. Pretty sure the photographer is using a high end compact super zoom but in that kind of conditions even when you are using a decent 100-400 USM IS lens you'll still won't get crystal clear shots.
 

Totoro

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

is it just me or is there a new or moved structure fairly close by, behind the exhaust? It looks like it could be the rear radar mast/diesel exhaust stack, but it seems closer to the middle now. then again, it could be the perspective...
 

Blitzo

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

is it just me or is there a new or moved structure fairly close by, behind the exhaust? It looks like it could be the rear radar mast/diesel exhaust stack, but it seems closer to the middle now. then again, it could be the perspective...

I thought there is such a structure as well -- it does look closer to the main exhaust, whatever it is. I'm sure this question will be answered in a few days or weeks once we get a good profile shot of this boat.

I've personally waited some five, six years for this thing to eventually appear, I'll give it a few more weeks for clearer pictures :D


I also wonder why D requires a modified mast... it does look significantly different, if not simply larger/wider than C's.
 

Totoro

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

what is actually mounted on top of the mast on 052c? I assume some sort of radar, but what kind? immediate surface targeting (for gun, etc) is done by that dish in front of the main mast, right? so what is left on top? It doesn't make sense that it is a comm antenna or a navigation radar. it also looks to small to be OTH dish like on 054a. (besides, shouldnt the yagi atenna behind offer OTH capabilities?)

It seems most useful if that bulb was served by a small x-band radar, something just for line of sight 30 or so km of range, fast rotating, high resolution... Basically as early warning for immediate threats that breach the horizon which would otherwise not be noticed by low resolution OTH radars.

On another note, that alleged drawing from someone who saw the ship, however crude it is, does offer some new info. If we assume it is correct, of course.

It shows the new hangar superstructure with boats on the side, which we knew of before. But it also introduced a visibly higher portion of superstructure right in front of it, which 052c didnt have. 052c has a stepped down end, but nowhere is there a portion of superstructure that is higher than the hangar.

Then we have that little dish 052c, in line with ciws and VLS. Something like that is also present on the drawing. Question remains: is there enough space on that higher-up portion of superstructure, right between that little dish and the centrally positioned hangar, to cram in anything else. A small VLS? Probably an 8-cell pack, but perhaps not more than that. But maybe no VLS is there, really. If boats are on the side and hangar is in the middle - how much walkway space is left there? How to get larger equipment like torpedos and such to the hangar if there is a VLS right in front of the hangar, closing off the entire hangar area?

Moving on. The secondary mast with the yagi antenna and diesel exhaust was mounted on another bit of superstructure, that was higher than the railing on 052c. This drawing clearly shows the railing, but shows no superstructure seen behind it. It is as if the mast is standing on its own now, and is probably bigger on 052d, if it wants to keep the height of the radar. Comm bulbs are visible right near the mast, as on 052c.

Also, while the side railing goes almost all the way to the front superstructure on 052c, on drawing it goes just to the exhaust stack. Could that also point to some changes there, perhaps that bit of intake structure that we saw laying around the shipyard, which seemed a bit bigger than one on 052c?
 

Blitzo

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

I've heard various designations for that dome on top of 052C (which is also present on the rear mast for 054A) -- SR64, MR36, Type 346/364... used for high rate surface search/dealing with sea skimmers? I believe that would be logical given its higher placement (leading to greater horizon range).


On the subject of radars, can we conclusively say whether 052C's SAPARS can be used to illuminate targets for SAMs or not, given its lack of illuminators (such as frontdomes aboard 054A)?
 

plawolf

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

The main mast has also been significantly altered with a noticeably taller but narrower raised platform just in front of the main mast with a new ball radar on top which takes the place of the original IRST ball on the 052C.

Looking at the comparison shots, the 052C+ already had the main dome radar onto of the bridge (MR 331?) installed upon launch, whereas the 052D does not. While it is possible the main dome radar will be installed after launch, it is also possible that his new ball radar on the raised platform will take over from the original ball radar.

Wrt the photo quality, well it could easily be that as others have already pointed out, that higher res photos do exist, but the owners are as yet reluctant to post them online. These small grainy shots are also certainly a result of the owners tweaking their pictures to reduce the size and resolution to the point whereby little of interest could be gleamed from them. They are more of a status update on the progress of the work rather than a good expose on what new features the ship has.
 

Engineer

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re: PLAN Type 052 Class Destroyer

The new radar on the mast is not new. It is just the radar for 730 CIWS at the front.

Also, from these pictures, one can see there is no increase in beam or increase in height for the superstructure. This ship has the exact same hull as the 052C.
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I venture to guess that there will be no change to the VLS system.
 
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